But we do have to deal with the fact that there is a genocide going on at the hands of the IDF. 28,000 killed, mostly innocent civilians. And the Israeli leadership has said brutal things about Gaza in general.
But we do have to deal with the fact that there is a genocide going on at the hands of the IDF. 28,000 killed, mostly innocent civilians. And the Israeli leadership has said brutal things about Gaza in general.
Legitimate? I guess any protest can be legitimate, I mean it's not that you can't. But what's the point at this point? A bunch of rowdy young adults throwing tantrums and howling at their fellow students isn't really helping... are they REALLY going to affect foreign policy half way across the world and here at home, really? Additionally, what's the student and faculty sentiment at these colleges from people who aren't protesting? do they feel that their campus has been usurped? I'd be pissed if my commencement was shut down, or if I was told I couldn't go to class because the college couldn't put some boundaries up against students who were being a nuisance. I think it's gone past legitimate based on what I've seen.. now it's more along the lines of provocation.
100% Since the 1960s, college demonstrations have become a sort of rite of passage and a way to display publicly one's moral rectitude ("virtue signalling"). I would not be surprised if the contemporary breed of activist critical studies or political science professor offers "course credit" for participation.
"Making your voice heard" does not "scale" as Elon Musk might say. After a while it becomes noise, especially when taking social media into consideration.
While I have no doubt some of the demonstrators are genuinely moved by some moral outrage to take to the streets, and extremely large, nonviolent demonstrations can have some impact on governmental policy, by and large it is virtue signaling.
It's beyond leftists "condemning genocide". It's creating a nuisance in colleges and disrupting the places where students have come to focus on their studies, while paying lots of money to do so. Not to mention, campus leadership turning a blind eye to verbal hostility directed at Jewish students, while pretending it's not really THAT hostile. Any other group doing so would be ushered away immediately.
If anyone redirected the kind of "verbal hostility" that is currently being aimed at Jews towards black people, the perpetrators would immediately be denounced as racists, and there would be riots and looting. Double standard.
To any sane person, yes.. it is a double standard! But it's allowed and permissible under the most-high tenants of intersectionality, as we've seen with these Ivy league schools. Where the worshipers of identity politics gather to enshrine their sacred beliefs and bestow upon each other an unshakable identity of righteous victimhood.. the cost to entry is race and class suicide.. and if you are white, there's double penance due at the gates.
It's shocking that any parent would waste tuition $ on schools where the curriculum has been so watered down as to make "intersectionality" the most important element of every course, even the hard sciences.
Quality-oriented employers are concerned about how uncivilized attitudes and behaviors can poison a workforce. Surely they must be labeling the graduates from those failed universities as "Not employable. Do not accept applications."
Well that’s the slight of hand that’s been going on with “education”. It’s been usurped by activists who are all in on that grab bag of critical theory. I use to think “indoctrination” from colleges was an exaggeration, boy.. I was unaware. Now taxes are used to fund public colleges and high schools with this anti-western garbage. Makes you wonder, it’s a great way to weaken a country by turning citizen against citizen.
It doesn't seem that Israel is trying to wipe out a race or a religious group (commit genocide...) Israel is trying to destroy a terrorist movement that has imbedded itself in a civilian population that borders Israel and was able to easily lunch a brutal massacre into Israel.
I used to think this way too until I learned about the history and the Palestinian culture surrounding this situation. You must watch this video https://youtu.be/I5VPFw0vI6U?si=vd3V1FvHswoDMr4I of Jordan Peterson interviewing Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of one of the co-founders of Hamas.
Their culture does not value women and children's lives as we do. Their children are used, not protected. The hate for Israel is far deeper than just wanting some land. If Hamas is not annihilated, and its support snuffed out, these kinds of wars will continue forever.
I have a close friend who is Jewish and politically conservative. He was raised supporting Israel his entire childhood. Then he went out into the world, met some Palestinians, learned the truth. He's leading campus protests for divestment now
It’s strange. I’m both pro Jew and anti Zionist. Zionism is as much a political project to preserve and protect power as Hamas is. Jews have a more advanced civilization but they also only extend full rights to their own group members.
Murdering people's innocent families tends to make them more supportive of terror, not less. When an entire people is denied the freedom to live, it is only natural that they would turn toward death.
Though of course the exact number of victims is known only to God, the UN and international organizations consider the Gaza Health Ministry's figures to be credible.
I try to avoid blaming one side or the other for what we are hearing about the war, since I have no way of knowing whether or not I am being lied to and have no way of knowing what the real situation is.
All I know is that my President and his Congress are providing billions of dollars to Israel and Ukraine and no citizens were consulted about it.
To me and others on the far side of the world from this mayhem, your number claim is an abstraction, and I will not pretend sympathy with one faction or the other when I have none.
You are free to chastise me for this attitude, but I suspect it is shared by more people than are willing to admit it, since one can score social credit by giving lip service to one side or the other.
Earlier, you stated 28,000 (okay yeah that is 20,000+). Also have heard 31,000, and 38,000. So how many have been killed? Why believe one number over another? Why believe any number at all? Even one is too many? Well yeah, so is 1,200 (Oct 7).
Thank you. The Israeli government is willing to wipe out the entire population of Gaza to get rid of Hamas. Hamas is terrible too, and they wish to wipe out Israeli. The leaders on both sides are genocidal.
But we do have to deal with the fact that there is a genocide going on at the hands of the IDF. 28,000 killed, mostly innocent civilians. And the Israeli leadership has said brutal things about Gaza in general.
Some of these protests may be legitimate.
Legitimate? I guess any protest can be legitimate, I mean it's not that you can't. But what's the point at this point? A bunch of rowdy young adults throwing tantrums and howling at their fellow students isn't really helping... are they REALLY going to affect foreign policy half way across the world and here at home, really? Additionally, what's the student and faculty sentiment at these colleges from people who aren't protesting? do they feel that their campus has been usurped? I'd be pissed if my commencement was shut down, or if I was told I couldn't go to class because the college couldn't put some boundaries up against students who were being a nuisance. I think it's gone past legitimate based on what I've seen.. now it's more along the lines of provocation.
100% Since the 1960s, college demonstrations have become a sort of rite of passage and a way to display publicly one's moral rectitude ("virtue signalling"). I would not be surprised if the contemporary breed of activist critical studies or political science professor offers "course credit" for participation.
"Making your voice heard" does not "scale" as Elon Musk might say. After a while it becomes noise, especially when taking social media into consideration.
While I have no doubt some of the demonstrators are genuinely moved by some moral outrage to take to the streets, and extremely large, nonviolent demonstrations can have some impact on governmental policy, by and large it is virtue signaling.
A shit show for sure… leftists condemning genocide, dementia patient Biden and dispensationalist evangelicals supporting it… very strange.
It's beyond leftists "condemning genocide". It's creating a nuisance in colleges and disrupting the places where students have come to focus on their studies, while paying lots of money to do so. Not to mention, campus leadership turning a blind eye to verbal hostility directed at Jewish students, while pretending it's not really THAT hostile. Any other group doing so would be ushered away immediately.
If anyone redirected the kind of "verbal hostility" that is currently being aimed at Jews towards black people, the perpetrators would immediately be denounced as racists, and there would be riots and looting. Double standard.
To any sane person, yes.. it is a double standard! But it's allowed and permissible under the most-high tenants of intersectionality, as we've seen with these Ivy league schools. Where the worshipers of identity politics gather to enshrine their sacred beliefs and bestow upon each other an unshakable identity of righteous victimhood.. the cost to entry is race and class suicide.. and if you are white, there's double penance due at the gates.
It's shocking that any parent would waste tuition $ on schools where the curriculum has been so watered down as to make "intersectionality" the most important element of every course, even the hard sciences.
Quality-oriented employers are concerned about how uncivilized attitudes and behaviors can poison a workforce. Surely they must be labeling the graduates from those failed universities as "Not employable. Do not accept applications."
Well that’s the slight of hand that’s been going on with “education”. It’s been usurped by activists who are all in on that grab bag of critical theory. I use to think “indoctrination” from colleges was an exaggeration, boy.. I was unaware. Now taxes are used to fund public colleges and high schools with this anti-western garbage. Makes you wonder, it’s a great way to weaken a country by turning citizen against citizen.
It doesn't seem that Israel is trying to wipe out a race or a religious group (commit genocide...) Israel is trying to destroy a terrorist movement that has imbedded itself in a civilian population that borders Israel and was able to easily lunch a brutal massacre into Israel.
The zionists have openly expressed interest in occupying Gaza.
Is Ham-Ass a gene pool? I get tired of the term "genocide" being tossed around like a dud hand grenade.
Yah, right… what is 20,000 + innocent civilians dead, in addition to the injured?
I used to think this way too until I learned about the history and the Palestinian culture surrounding this situation. You must watch this video https://youtu.be/I5VPFw0vI6U?si=vd3V1FvHswoDMr4I of Jordan Peterson interviewing Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of one of the co-founders of Hamas.
Their culture does not value women and children's lives as we do. Their children are used, not protected. The hate for Israel is far deeper than just wanting some land. If Hamas is not annihilated, and its support snuffed out, these kinds of wars will continue forever.
Funny… I used to be very pro Israel, as a nation and what they did, until I looked at what is happening now.
I don't believe you. Palestine is a fetish for the left, and such people never supported Israel.
I have a close friend who is Jewish and politically conservative. He was raised supporting Israel his entire childhood. Then he went out into the world, met some Palestinians, learned the truth. He's leading campus protests for divestment now
It’s strange. I’m both pro Jew and anti Zionist. Zionism is as much a political project to preserve and protect power as Hamas is. Jews have a more advanced civilization but they also only extend full rights to their own group members.
Murdering people's innocent families tends to make them more supportive of terror, not less. When an entire people is denied the freedom to live, it is only natural that they would turn toward death.
Nice job reporting Hamas "statistics"
Though of course the exact number of victims is known only to God, the UN and international organizations consider the Gaza Health Ministry's figures to be credible.
I try to avoid blaming one side or the other for what we are hearing about the war, since I have no way of knowing whether or not I am being lied to and have no way of knowing what the real situation is.
All I know is that my President and his Congress are providing billions of dollars to Israel and Ukraine and no citizens were consulted about it.
To me and others on the far side of the world from this mayhem, your number claim is an abstraction, and I will not pretend sympathy with one faction or the other when I have none.
You are free to chastise me for this attitude, but I suspect it is shared by more people than are willing to admit it, since one can score social credit by giving lip service to one side or the other.
Hear you. What to say when neither side deserves support? I feel for the Jews and Palestinians who just want to live their lives.
Truth about money to Ukraine and Israel… bad deal.
Earlier, you stated 28,000 (okay yeah that is 20,000+). Also have heard 31,000, and 38,000. So how many have been killed? Why believe one number over another? Why believe any number at all? Even one is too many? Well yeah, so is 1,200 (Oct 7).
Thank you. The Israeli government is willing to wipe out the entire population of Gaza to get rid of Hamas. Hamas is terrible too, and they wish to wipe out Israeli. The leaders on both sides are genocidal.
Thank you for being fair to the topic, John.