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Dave's avatar

Except that 100% of the DEI, gender ideology, etc. is coming from Democrats. So it really is a red vs blue issue.

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Grandparents Fight Back's avatar

It is coming from some Democratic politicians and some woke Democrats but not all Democrats. I am sure all Republicans do not agree with everything that Republican politicians say and do. I know my husband, who is a Republican, does not. The health of children should never be a political issue. As long as the gender critical view is portrayed as a conservative agenda Democrats who have no idea what is going on will look only at what the Democrats are saying and never understand the real problem. Many, if not most, of the parents struggling with this problem in their own families are or were Democrats.

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Libertarian's avatar

Here’s the deal; the average Democrat depends more on taxpayer money than the average Republican, and so the Dem will vote Dem regardless of any issues like wokeness. Indeed they are only more woke than GOP because they depend on government welfare in the form of fed/state/local/school jobs, ebt, welfare, education, healthcare much more. They are wards of the state welfare system and so vote Democrat for more of other people’s money.

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Christopher F. Rufo's avatar

Yes it’s part of the dilemma.

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Jrod's avatar

“Democrats who have no idea what is going on...” Next time you get pulled over for go 40 in a 30mph zone, be sure to plead ignorance as your excuse.

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Grandparents Fight Back's avatar

Older adults who are not in the workforce and do not have children in school and hear only about about how gender affirming care is life saving on TV do not know what this is about. A google search for gender affirming care will not tell you about puberty blockers , hormones and surgeries. You should be trying to reach out to Democrats for support instead of putting them down and alienating them.

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Jrod's avatar

That's a fair point. I'm not trying to put anybody down, but ignorance is no excuse. Anybody with a moral compass and marginal intelligence should recognize that all is not well in Mudville. As far as reaching out to Democrats for support, I'd love to know your formula for persuading people to take a step back and re-examine their political identity. That's something people need to discover on their own, and I remain pessimistic. Speaking from behind the lines is deep blue CA, few people have the strength to face those truths. Naw, just keep ticking the blue box, because red = bibles! guns! white supremacy! Orange man!

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ariel's avatar

No one wants to turn on a dime. I find a subtle approach in a context of mutual respect, with no view to "winning" a debate works best. I didn't wake up all at once myself. And there's always the next psyop to contend with.

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Jrod's avatar

I dunno Ariel. There’s nothing subtle about how the left has upended the mores and traditions on which the stability of our nation depends, and they are “winning”. Naw, it’s past time for nuance and niceties. Sharp elbows and good swats to the rear are in order. Like shocking the pool after a kid left a dookie in it.

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Christopher F. Rufo's avatar

There is winning and winning is the goal.

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ariel's avatar

We can win the war without making those we debate with lose face during some debate skirmish.

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Christopher Maughan's avatar

"...few people have the strength to face those truths." Yes, very few people can handle the oft uncomfortable journey of self examination. And the emotional barriers that aid in preventing this are constantly reinforced, robust, and cozy as all get out.

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Grandparents Fight Back's avatar

If you want them to listen first of all do not refer to them as leftys . Labeling others who have different political views does not help open up dialog. Next, ask them to watch videos of de transitioners on U-Tube . I no longer trust the media to not have bias on one side of the other I do trust real people who are telling their personal stories Collect articles from sub-stacks that show books and lesson plans used in schools and show those to them There is one showing what is used in the Chicago schools you can probably find with a web search

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John Rock Foster's avatar

Show them the book, It's Perfectly Normal, which is an explicit sex book aimed at ten-year-olds. It's likely in your school library.

But at some point you have to give up on those who can't change and focus your efforts on those who can. Don't waste your time and energy where it does no good.

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J. Matthews's avatar

I'm an independent, and I agree with you. You make good points.

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Bowtied Shrike's avatar

There's a lot of Republican complicity in DEI, gender ideology, etc. Between 'we need to be decent', taking the left talking points of 10 years ago, and refusing to play to win, most of the problem is a red issue. Republicans lost to Biden and to Fetterman because they lacked the will to beat them. There needs to be more pressure on complicit Republicans.

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