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DC Reade's avatar

Unorganized rebellion only works if its an authentic expression of majority public opinion, like the overthrow of Ceaucescu in Romania. Antifa is a self-indulgent lunatic fringe. Their most prominent impact is serving as a source of fantasy for the lunatic fringe right wing.

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Eugine Nier's avatar

The problem is that there is significant organization standing behind it, even if the low level thugs are just there to break stuff.

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DC Reade's avatar

show me references to what you're talking about. Direct funding links to Antifa chapters. It's practically impossible for organizers to ensure that everyone in a rally of thousands of people can be trusted to know how to act. That's what the police are there for. It's also why I can't stand demonstrations that demonize all police per se. The marchers should be offering them water, instead. Humanizing them, not objectifying them. Communicating with them on the front lines. I was a cab driver for many years. Me and the police get each other. What it can be like out there. (I get dope dealers, too. Part of the cab game is being a diplomat.)

I get that Black Lives Matter chapters have gotten funding, and that some of the local leaders and spokespeople (not all of them) have expressed extreme positions and implicit support for criminal acts in their rhetoric. But vague insinuations of some massive conspiracy don't impress me.

The shoplifting swarming rings empowered by the Internet smartphone era's ease of organization show a lot more coordination and organization than anything I've seen from Antifa, and they aren't being covertly funded by [favorite political enemy name-check here.] They're just being bandits. And the police and the statutes are in the position of having to play catch-up with the newest innovations in criminality.

American gun worship is also bearing bitter fruit, following decades of nurturing and flowering, and runaway adaptions of military tech (banana clips for rifles were not a thing prior to the explosion of the street retail markets for cocaine in the 1980s.)

Firearms are instant empowerment; anyone who is old enough to pull a trigger knows that all they have to do to strike fear into others is to point one. That message has been sent over and over by media entertainment and video games. There's no way to have 400 million of them in private hands without abundant opportunities for diversion. If you oppose even the most sensible measures for limiting the killing power of firearms and accountability in possessing them, own the consequences. We had gun control discussions and debates in my high school in the 1970s, and support for firearms ownership prevailed. But "rifle" implied a bolt-action 30.06, not an AR15 knockoff with a banana clip.

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Eugine Nier's avatar

> show me references to what you're talking about. Direct funding links to Antifa chapters.

The most obvious links is Soros supporting the campaigns of far-left DAs who then order the police to stand down in the pace of antifa violence and then refuse to prosecute them.

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DC Reade's avatar

that isn't a reference. It's a claim. The second part is an inference that's unsupported.

As far back as I've been reading the news, it's been common for the less serious charges against arrested participants in mass demonstrations to eventually be dismissed. It's mostly a matter of practicality for overloaded city courts, or insufficient evidence.

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/08/30/archives/mayday-charges-for-800-dropped-government-asks-dismissal-in-capitol.html

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-04-10-1991100021-story.html

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2003-06-20-0306200333-story.html

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/occupy-wall-street-charges-dropped-brooklyn-bridge/1972110/

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