Although I see your point......you are basically throwing the victims of all this to the wolves for political optics.
The neighborhoods burned are ALWAYS the lower income ones. Those people are victimized by everyone.....sending in the troops helps THEM more than anything.
Trump does not care if people hate him...he wants to do what's right. In this case, what's right is stopping the destruction so regular people can go about their lives.
Who CARES about the optics? People are gonna hate Trump, no matter what he does.
His instincts are almost always correct. He needs to stamp out the protests once and for all....before a police officer or Federal agent or innocent civilian gets hurt or killed. Quite frankly, if a protestor bites the dust.....well.....play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The rooftop Koreans of the 1992 LA riots had incredible optics. But the reality is that they were abandoned by law enforcement to defend themselves and their businesses. The people stand behind Trump, ICE, and the military. Time to pull the 2028 Olympics out of LA. Hit the narcissists where it hurts. The left wants to turn Cleon Peterson’s art into real life: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/cleon-peterson-obama-rothschild
I was just thinking this morning that Trump should pull the Olympics out of LA. He could say, and it’s absolutely true, that LA has shown that they can’t maintain the civil order and there’s too much risk of visitors to the Olympics coming to harm. Is there a mechanism by which that is the president’s decision to make?
that would be the the decision of the Olympic committee along with Trump. Who the hell on that board ever voted for LA. Would you go? The left has destroyed that also.
The Olympics are almost always a bad bet for a city and its residents financially. They're just a special interest handout. It's not much of a punishment to take them away.
“The people” Who are you talking about? NO ONE in Los Angeles wants the US military here. (No one wants the Olympics here, for that matter!) If your schtick wasn’t about conflict, you wouldn’t be talking about “the people” standing, period.
You mean no one YOU KNOW in Los Angeles wants the military here. And even the ones you know might be pretending in order to avoid social censure. My sense is that many Angelenos are sick of being mobbed by illegal immigrants and support ICE.
Agree 💯 The msm presstitutes and their narrative networks do not control the narrative now. No one except the leftist loons believe them. That's why their viewership is way down. Trump should follow the law. Arrest, prosecute, deport illegals and jail time for the rest who are convicted. That's what his (and all officials) job is to follow the law.
Hey, this is great - we both agree that trump should follow the law! I'm so glad you wrote that, as I read the comments I was getting worried that no one seemed to care that trump isn't following the law at all, but you do!
Thank goodness. Due process for deportation hearings being skipped and legal citizens - not just illegal, but legal - getting sent to exitless prison in 3rd world countries is what the LA thing is all about - it's so great to hear we're all wanting a return to law and order!
Deporting people without due process is a very serious offense. Sending troops in against the will of the state government is a very serious thing - just imagine if Biden sent troops into Florida over all the Medicare fraud. Sure, no flaming cars but studies show that Florida generates most of the Medicare fraud Congress is always trying to control (and yet the biggest offender got a presidential pardon, as if it encourage others to try)! Real lives get destroyed by that, just like riots, people die from surgeries they didn't need, not to mention the fraud, waste and abuse - the fraud practically craters our system. So, it's a national crisis. Biden writes an executive order saying it's an emergency and now he has a bunch of extra powers.
Just imagine if Biden just shoved 700 Marines into DeSantis' lap... what s great cry of pain everyone on this thread would shout and rightfully so. Because we know that the president is not above the law.
Glad I found you, and our common footing. We've got to keep it together and follow the constitution. Political progress through coalition building is tedious, hard work but governing a complex population requires it.
Due process is for American citizens. If you went to, say ,Philippines ,on vacation and spit on the sidewalk, which is against the law there,you would be in jail. Find the story about the ugly American kid,who had that happen to him.
You glossed over the fact that I feel ALL officials need to follow the law. Certainly the last administration did not and the current leadership in California do not. That's why we have these problems. I don't believe President Trump is breaking any laws. So while we both agree on law abiding officials, I don't think we are seeing the situation the same way.
Please stop with this deceitful claim that illegal immigrants are not receiving due process when they are deported!
Note the important adjective *due* in the phrase "due process". Illegal immigrants (who are by definition criminals quite aside from any other crimes they may have committed) are not American citizens and are receiving the process that is *due* them, through immigration courts and judges, exactly as the law provides
I feel your empathy, but I agree with the Rufo strategy. It has much merit for the longer term goals and needed outcome. Don’t get drawn into another ploy of racism that President Trump cares not for the poorer neighborhoods. Putting the responsibility on the California levels of government: state, county, municipal is right where it belongs.
This is EXACTLY what was done in 2020.....Trump held back and what happened?
He needs to not hold back.
He is not up for reelection......this shit needs to stop.
It has become and endless cycle EXACTLY because no one wants to look bad.
A smackdown is long overdue.
Yes, long term goals are important....BUT to the average person, it's nothing....they need to go to work and feed people. And I am not talking about racism...this has nothing to do with racism. Trump CLEARLY cares for the poorer neighborhoods......he seems to be the only one, though.
Politics are just shitty to poor people, no matter the color......they fight all their battles in the poor neighborhoods...why is that? Oh, I know, so they can use those people for photo ops, but no one in power is ever really affected.
People are not stupid. If no one throws these people a lifeline, they will be hurt even more.
Newsom was not reelected by the citizens there and we all know it. Get rid of the illegals, no matter the cost.....and the Dems never win another election, and Cali loses 4 seats in Congress....THAT'S a helluva long term goal.
Trump didn't start this, but he sure as HELL needs to finish it.
Everyone keeps second guessing him.....and he keeps being right in the end.
actually, Trump has said during the Jan6th thing, he did not know HE could activate the Guard.He was told only the speaker could do it. Trump's first term,was full of people who misled him intentionally.His biggest fault is trusting people who kiss his ass.
Lois, I think your heart is in the right place. That is, I think you care about people whose lives are disrupted, who lose wages and time and more due to what’s happening in Los Angeles.
But, a federal police force in L.A. right now is not going to solve a single problem - not increased non-citizen apprehension, no better public safety, no more order or smoother commerce. It would just pour fuel on the fire because it will be ineffectual at best, and make Trump and the federal police forces look like thugs.
Rufo is foolish man and this post of his is evidence of that. You lack the ability to think for yourself. Some “thinker” makes a post on Substack and blindly accept his “reasonableness” because of your genuflection to perceived “authority”. Rufo is no generational genius and his opinions exhibit those of a man with little historical knowledge and a shallow perception of reality.
don't know who the"you" is in your post,but during my lifetime I, and the rest of my generation, did not have social media to tell us when to wipe our butt. So there is that.
Jeff Childers (Coffee and Covid) has an interesting take on the riots and speculates that they aren’t really about immigration…that’s just a front. They’re actually tied to the 5% remittance tax in the great big beautiful bill and Mexico is NOT HAPPY about it. They’ve called for mobilization in the US…remittance income in 2024 accounted for close to $65 billion in revenue for Mexico, 3.5% of their GDP. Imagine losing 5% of that. Immigration tugs at heart strings…but it’s always about the money.
I think it would behoove our president to expose this fact to the citizens of the US.
The insurrection is also about Congrressional control, and maintaining seats in the House. As sensible folks flee places like CA, the number of reps CA is accorded drops. Illegals (who are magically counted as legitimate citizens in places like CA) add to the state's headcount and allow CA to seat more leftard reps in the House.
No. Legal immigrants - like my family, want everyone to do it the legal way. Rule breakers ruin it for everyone & make the law abiding look like suckers.
Jeff is the BEST! Always has a different viewpoint from what "everybody" thinks, and manages to find the optimism in even the darkest topics. Highly recommended.
I second that! I always say he's the white pill I take with my coffee every morning to get me through the day in these dark times.
And the fact that they come with so much important information, thoughtful analysis, and original insight makes his posts the ones a make sure never to miss!
I protested the illegal deportations without due process today and it had nothing to do with a 5% tax. Also, I was unpaid -Ii have heard a lot of propaganda that protestors are getting paid to show up. No, I'm just American. I want America to survive, so I'm showing up to peacefully - not in a jan 6th way - draw attention to the lack of due process with current ICE operations. ICE quotas are so high that they're making mistakes - we're deporting legal citizens. Exitless prison for people we aren't even sure we should be removing id bonkers. Exitless prison is bonkers, typically people get deported back to their country of origin.
Ps. At the protest today I heard the "no Ice, no kkk, no fascist USA" chant and I'm not a no-ICE person. I believe in secure borders and I was really angry when trump killed the 2024 border deal just so he could run on border security.
Ps This game isn't brown vs white or legal vs illegal, it's rich vs poor. And if your staff isn't reading this to you while you enjoy your seventh home's infinity pool before jetting to your Never Die Immortality Retreat on some gorgeous island, you're not who they consider "rich." Be careful, these are high stakes with lasting consequences.
Did you protest during the Clinton deportations? Or the Bush Deportations? Or the Obama deportations (which greatly outnumbered Trumps deportations)? All deported without “due process.” No. You did not. No one did. If you oppose and want to protest the deportations of rapists, murderers, drug dealers and traffickers, be my guest. The organizing you see (gas masks, coordinated signage and attire, cinder blocks, etc) is a coordinated effort bought and paid for by those who have a vested interested in keeping that 5% in their countries and upsetting the electorate here. Do I want to see hard working honest immigrants deported? No. In fact, I have hired immigration attorneys to help others with their immigration status. But that’s not what this is. This is something much more sinister. And it’s just the beginning. So I, for one, and happy for a strong arm and a strong stance stopping another “summer of love” before it begins.
That dumbass border bill from the demented biden was a fucking insult. End it all which trump has done at the border now deport all of the invasion force from biden and beyond.
that is an element of what is going on.. the ISSUE IS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I get what you are saying but that is not the driving force here. IN fact. may of the so called peaceful protestors are paid.. by whom I can only guess..
That’s why he took action. He first called Gavin Newsom, but he refused to act to call his NG, or demand the LAPD act. Federal officials were physically violated. It was his lawful responsibility to act as he did. I looked for weapons with each tranche of NG and Marines and didn’t see them. I saw them assisting the LAPD, who became motivated to enforce the law with a stronger force. (The original reaction of the fear of being fired as the Fire Chief was for her reaction to the mayor’s directives.)
1) Trump doesn't do subtle. 2) This is a Machiavellian approach that would leave federal agents and private property at risk and make it look like ICE is losing. It would make Trump look ineffective, and he needs, especially now, to look like he is in control.
Sometimes the public baton massage is what's needed.
Not beating protesters or rioters mercilessly, but absolutely dropping the hammer on anyone who interferes with an arrest. Putting the cuffs on someone is a vulnerable moment for a cop, and when someone jumps on them, kicks them, etc., that person needs to get absolutely walloped.
The president is allowed to send in the National Guard when Federal buildings are at risk. The LAPD is not allowed, by CA law to assist ICE. Read Erick-Woods Erickson's column this AM to find out more. I received it in a newsletter & haven't figured out how to share a link from it.
Meaning injured ICE agents were on their own without Federal officers being brought in to assist - because of the sanctuary city state law preventing state or municipal police from assisting ICE.
While LAPD may not help ICE (classic stupidity) the Department is charged with the responsibility of protecting the safety and rights of the residents. It is a fine organization but handcuffed by the far left politicians of City Hall and special interests. We worked closely with teams of off duty LAPD officers to keep buildings cleared of drug dealing gangs and the drug addicted hookers (some barely teens) whom they used as an additional income source. Of course the owners paid twice ( taxes and direct payments) for the services due from the City.
This is logical and follows Jeff Childers, of Coffee and Covid's, observation that we are supporting the illegal immigrants countries because they are not there fixing their own governments but coming here for free money to send home. Newsom should be made to bear all the responsibility for the actions happening on his watch. While the illegals live here without skin in the game to support it, they are destroying the lives and property of those who are here working and are the support of those doing the destruction.
I was really surprised to see Chris Rufo taking this view.
I am a Canadian, living in a Canadian city slowly being rotted by Left Coast progressivism. I am talking about people dying in the streets, as if this were Calcutta, not Canada - totally not what I was brought up with. But bear with me.
Okay, let's say we are in for a bout of Summer of Love progressivism here: Pro-Fentanyl riots start downtown and begin to spread. Cars in flames, shop windows smashed, stores looted, police on stretchers ... and I hear that the riots are spreading our way, closer to the seniors' building where I live...
Which would give me more comfort? A "subtle hand" or "The Prime Minister has declared the War Measures Act and two regiments are ordered into the region immediately to assist the police in restoring order."
This is not a "civil rights" cause! It's an insurrection among people who mostly have no business being in the United States anyway. People the United States shouldn't even want. And it could certainly happen here too. Indeed, I expect it will.
As Mark Steyn pointed out, the vandals and looters wave the Mexican flag because they are conquerors and can defy the law in the United States. And if the federal government doesn't prove them wrong on that point, why DO Americans obey laws and pay taxes?
The rioters should be given the J6 treatment, however long it takes.
Yes, Pre-Trial Detention for a few years until the AG is ready -after the Grand Jury’s hearings, followed by trials. No due process, speedy trial. But that never happens in the USA 🇺🇸, right?
I don't claim that what happened to those J6 people was necessarily just, only that it shows how different things are when the *elite* feels threatened.
I wish more Americans could see what their elite - especially their media elite - really thinks of them when they are told that torching someone's car or looting someone's business is a "mostly peaceful" riot.
No riot is "mostly peaceful." It is a contradiction in terms.
If you can't get your government to (seriously) care when insurgents waving a foreign flag are looting and destroying a part of your city, why are you paying their taxes and obeying their laws? How soon can you pick another government? This is a blunt issue, not a subtle one.
And we can be sure of one thing: If the tactic works for the insurgents, it is bound to be tried again.
Taibbi and Kern had a good point that might be smart of Trump to make: who’s in favor of this? If it’s a “mostly peaceful exercise of civil disobedience in the name of civil rights”, where are the community leaders and politicians to lead it?
Call them out, show them for who they are (or pretend to be), and let THEM squirm. Explain to all of us why they think this is a good idea and how this benefits our country and our kids.
Too late. Trump already sent the Nattional Guard and apparently some Marines too. Newsome's and Bass's argument that they were in control sounds preposterous.
A couple of months Bass was up for a lynching over the fire debacle. From Newson too because he has Presidential aspirations. He was even liking Trump.Nothing happened to Bass and Gavin's aspirations went up in the smoke.
Gavin might have gotten played by the liberal women who are his base. He's a crafty fucker, but it's easy to get painted into a corner when you're not a woman in the California Democrat machine.
At the end of the day, he's another rich, straight, white guy, and there are a lot of power-hungry liberal women who want his spot and his donors for themselves.
The NG is there to protect the ICE building. Not control the rioters. Although they might if things really escalate. Not certain as to the Marines presence- but it does show strength
I do not think Chris is saying do nothing, he's saying be subtle. Following the leaders and then arresting them is very smart.
The picture of an overwhelming force protecting a federal building is great. A statement that this is what the feds will do until asked to do more is Exactly what to do.
Yes, some of the cities will burn, but they are resisting help. Obviously not smart. Waiting until later to ask for help will make them look really bad.
The left thinks these rioters are controllable. As if. Leftists may have lit the fire, but it will soon get out if control.
A smart move would be setting up sanctuary spaces for citizens who feel imperiled by the riots. Show the federal government offering to protect locals who have been abandoned by the city and state.
The entire purpose of these riots is to provoke a reaction from the Trump administration that will create images of the purported “authoritarian dictatorship”. These images would be widely disseminated through news and social media. The intended audience of the images is the general public for the purpose of creating an emotional response against “Hitler”. Here is where the training they receive and their operations plan: https://beautifultrouble.org
The plan is to do the same across the nation on the 14th, as we celebrate our 250th birthday in DC. I remember 1976, the 200th. We had a left, but apparently no hatred of Jimmy Carter (CDS).
I agree with the “purpose of the riots” but I think what the left is missing is that most people don’t care what they think or what they report - not going to change most people’s minds
Correct. And therein lies the secret to the destruction of the CA democratic party. Starve them of money and resources. Only then will they be voted into extinction.
Maybe Newsome, Pelosi, Schiff, Bass, Swalwell and many other dems can beg Soros for more money, and turn themselves into another country. But I doubt even Soros has that much money to waste. Stop funding CA!
Very good advice. Would that Trump would have a good team of advisors, who could give him the options he might follow to quell this situation. Alas, Trump will end up shooting from the hip, probably listening to the wrong people, just as he did with the tariffs, listening to guys like Navarro .
I say this as one who supports tough policy on the border. Sadly, if you do not take the political reactions in to account, you are destined to fail. The Democrats keep giving Trump ammunition to fire at them, so accept it from them.
Newsom and Bass are weaklings, and Trump should not save them.
Under Newsom and local Democrats both San Francisco and LA have gone from great cities to the top of the list of California Cities to Avoid. Businesses are fleeing, office vacancies are approaching 35% and buildings have lost more than half their value. It affects local agencies which see drops in property taxes and many banks and other lenders who have seen their loans lose value. Had California citizens not reigned in political spending with Prop 13 the impact would be even greater. Not an accident that the cities are run by friends of George Soros.
Navarro, pHD in Economics from Harvard. The trade deal with China was lost. But Stephen Miller might be the guy for this in one way, and the economists in another Bessent. JD and Rubio. The cabinet is pretty strong.
From a Californian's perspective? Gavin Newsom is a waste of space and entirely responsible for this situation. LA County is also to blame. But should the state's citizens wait for a better visual for Trump? No. We waited too long in the summer of 2020 riots. People were murdered, property destroyed, and billions of dollars of insurance money spent to rebuild. If Trump waits, people will die. Stop the riots now. And yes, Chris is right in one respect, follow the riot leaders, arrest them immediately, and no bail this time.
i would normally say let them reap what they sow and burn, except that i live in california and am sick of letting these fanatics burn my state. California is responsible for california that is true but we are currently ruled by extremists that people were too stupid to have voted for. we NEED DJT to help.
Trump had more voters/votes in TX than CA in 2024. Not by much, but that "CA has more R voters than anywhere else" is contradicted by the 2024 election totals that I provided (easily googled).
YOU can help by getting rid of every democratic senator and rep in the next elections. You guys have made some really bad choices--Pelosi, Schiff, Waters, Bass et al. DJT can't do much to help you unless you help yourselves. Too many local politicians who fight him at every turn.
You are right, We in the cental valley only seemed to vote republicans in, We also don't have any voter ID laws. In fact checking voter ID is illegal!. I am personally just planning my move to Montana. California is really not a democracy were voting actually works. California is just full of moochers and looters scavenging on the dying body of california and everyone who can is leaving.
I was in Minneapolis during the GF riots. Gov Waltz wanted the Guard in but didn’t give them orders and it looked like a set up as they didn’t have official orders. Then the city burned and the 3rd precinct was compromised and taken over. People who were arrested were bailed out compliments of Kamala Harris and her friends. In LA this is a color revolution and Mexico is fueling the fires with a lot of help from the socialist and communists who are set on destroying our country.
Great point, Chris! Although Los Angeles resembles the riots of the past (one commentator even mentioned Kent State), we have significantly better tools to quell the riots at this time. Use drones and other technology to track and arrest the leaders. Find out who ordered the Waymo, and follow up on the sources of the bricks and supplies. There are additional ways to get ahead of this situation that will yield the results we all want to see, but unfortunately, force may also be needed. Most importantly, we don't want this to spread to other blue states where our brave ICE agents are trying to do the job that most Americans voted for.
How's this for a grotesque but possibly effective way to get them off the streets and keep them off the streets. Fly helicopters over the demonstrators, instruct them that they are engaging in an unlawful non-peaceful demonstration and tell them to leave immediately or face the consequences. The consequences might be spreading paint, dye, a smelly substance, an itchy substance or something equally obnoxious but not lethal over that area. Relatively cost effective and street effective. Depending on the substance, it might require medical or other assistance and when they go for help an ICE operative or policeman can be there to arrest them.
The work you describe would be performed by local police who are handcuffed by the politicians.
The anti israel violence on college campuses after the attack on Israel was largely Soros sponsored and supported with vast amounts of supplies and coaching .
FBI needs to pick up the trail from the brick deliveries. Throw people in jail for treason, they will sing like birds. Leads back to Soros or wherever …treason and racketeering…
I saw on Twitter today that an heiress billionaire of Walmart is funding the June 14 protests across the country. Someone spotted a big supply of helmets delivered to protestors. They happened to be sold by Walmart so some sleuth traced the money. It was just a post so it may be disputed. But I traced money that Walmart gives about three years ago and they had many many leftist NGO contributions.
Walmart is a global organization with an abundance of products from China and interestingly enough from Vietnam.
This is a maze, a spider web of crooks all interconnected.
Although I see your point......you are basically throwing the victims of all this to the wolves for political optics.
The neighborhoods burned are ALWAYS the lower income ones. Those people are victimized by everyone.....sending in the troops helps THEM more than anything.
Trump does not care if people hate him...he wants to do what's right. In this case, what's right is stopping the destruction so regular people can go about their lives.
Who CARES about the optics? People are gonna hate Trump, no matter what he does.
His instincts are almost always correct. He needs to stamp out the protests once and for all....before a police officer or Federal agent or innocent civilian gets hurt or killed. Quite frankly, if a protestor bites the dust.....well.....play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The rooftop Koreans of the 1992 LA riots had incredible optics. But the reality is that they were abandoned by law enforcement to defend themselves and their businesses. The people stand behind Trump, ICE, and the military. Time to pull the 2028 Olympics out of LA. Hit the narcissists where it hurts. The left wants to turn Cleon Peterson’s art into real life: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/cleon-peterson-obama-rothschild
I was just thinking this morning that Trump should pull the Olympics out of LA. He could say, and it’s absolutely true, that LA has shown that they can’t maintain the civil order and there’s too much risk of visitors to the Olympics coming to harm. Is there a mechanism by which that is the president’s decision to make?
that would be the the decision of the Olympic committee along with Trump. Who the hell on that board ever voted for LA. Would you go? The left has destroyed that also.
Pulling LA out of Olympics will only help the LA mayor. Let her embarrass herself thoroughly. She is a case study in mismanagement and incompetence.
The Olympics are almost always a bad bet for a city and its residents financially. They're just a special interest handout. It's not much of a punishment to take them away.
I thought they only had iron sights? Getting them some quality optics is a great idea though.
“The people” Who are you talking about? NO ONE in Los Angeles wants the US military here. (No one wants the Olympics here, for that matter!) If your schtick wasn’t about conflict, you wouldn’t be talking about “the people” standing, period.
You mean no one YOU KNOW in Los Angeles wants the military here. And even the ones you know might be pretending in order to avoid social censure. My sense is that many Angelenos are sick of being mobbed by illegal immigrants and support ICE.
The "victims" in LA county voted for the outcomes burning 🔥now is FAFO moment. Let Newscum take the heat...
Agree 💯 The msm presstitutes and their narrative networks do not control the narrative now. No one except the leftist loons believe them. That's why their viewership is way down. Trump should follow the law. Arrest, prosecute, deport illegals and jail time for the rest who are convicted. That's what his (and all officials) job is to follow the law.
Hey, this is great - we both agree that trump should follow the law! I'm so glad you wrote that, as I read the comments I was getting worried that no one seemed to care that trump isn't following the law at all, but you do!
Thank goodness. Due process for deportation hearings being skipped and legal citizens - not just illegal, but legal - getting sent to exitless prison in 3rd world countries is what the LA thing is all about - it's so great to hear we're all wanting a return to law and order!
Deporting people without due process is a very serious offense. Sending troops in against the will of the state government is a very serious thing - just imagine if Biden sent troops into Florida over all the Medicare fraud. Sure, no flaming cars but studies show that Florida generates most of the Medicare fraud Congress is always trying to control (and yet the biggest offender got a presidential pardon, as if it encourage others to try)! Real lives get destroyed by that, just like riots, people die from surgeries they didn't need, not to mention the fraud, waste and abuse - the fraud practically craters our system. So, it's a national crisis. Biden writes an executive order saying it's an emergency and now he has a bunch of extra powers.
Just imagine if Biden just shoved 700 Marines into DeSantis' lap... what s great cry of pain everyone on this thread would shout and rightfully so. Because we know that the president is not above the law.
Glad I found you, and our common footing. We've got to keep it together and follow the constitution. Political progress through coalition building is tedious, hard work but governing a complex population requires it.
If I could like this 50 times over, I would!
Ultimately, the law applies to everyone or it applies to no one. We’re a nation on the brink.
Due process is for American citizens. If you went to, say ,Philippines ,on vacation and spit on the sidewalk, which is against the law there,you would be in jail. Find the story about the ugly American kid,who had that happen to him.
You glossed over the fact that I feel ALL officials need to follow the law. Certainly the last administration did not and the current leadership in California do not. That's why we have these problems. I don't believe President Trump is breaking any laws. So while we both agree on law abiding officials, I don't think we are seeing the situation the same way.
Please stop with this deceitful claim that illegal immigrants are not receiving due process when they are deported!
Note the important adjective *due* in the phrase "due process". Illegal immigrants (who are by definition criminals quite aside from any other crimes they may have committed) are not American citizens and are receiving the process that is *due* them, through immigration courts and judges, exactly as the law provides
I agree. Peace through strength. One must first show strength if one wants peace.
A Marine troop shows strength, I would say.
Lois:
I feel your empathy, but I agree with the Rufo strategy. It has much merit for the longer term goals and needed outcome. Don’t get drawn into another ploy of racism that President Trump cares not for the poorer neighborhoods. Putting the responsibility on the California levels of government: state, county, municipal is right where it belongs.
This is EXACTLY what was done in 2020.....Trump held back and what happened?
He needs to not hold back.
He is not up for reelection......this shit needs to stop.
It has become and endless cycle EXACTLY because no one wants to look bad.
A smackdown is long overdue.
Yes, long term goals are important....BUT to the average person, it's nothing....they need to go to work and feed people. And I am not talking about racism...this has nothing to do with racism. Trump CLEARLY cares for the poorer neighborhoods......he seems to be the only one, though.
Politics are just shitty to poor people, no matter the color......they fight all their battles in the poor neighborhoods...why is that? Oh, I know, so they can use those people for photo ops, but no one in power is ever really affected.
People are not stupid. If no one throws these people a lifeline, they will be hurt even more.
Newsom was not reelected by the citizens there and we all know it. Get rid of the illegals, no matter the cost.....and the Dems never win another election, and Cali loses 4 seats in Congress....THAT'S a helluva long term goal.
Trump didn't start this, but he sure as HELL needs to finish it.
Everyone keeps second guessing him.....and he keeps being right in the end.
Correct. Doing the same thing over and over again (2020) is the definition of stupidity.
No more "pacification" programs which so miserably failed in Vietnam.
actually, Trump has said during the Jan6th thing, he did not know HE could activate the Guard.He was told only the speaker could do it. Trump's first term,was full of people who misled him intentionally.His biggest fault is trusting people who kiss his ass.
Lois, I think your heart is in the right place. That is, I think you care about people whose lives are disrupted, who lose wages and time and more due to what’s happening in Los Angeles.
But, a federal police force in L.A. right now is not going to solve a single problem - not increased non-citizen apprehension, no better public safety, no more order or smoother commerce. It would just pour fuel on the fire because it will be ineffectual at best, and make Trump and the federal police forces look like thugs.
Let Newsom handle it. Or not.
Oh, I disagree. Trump CAN end it for all, if he has the stones to do it. I think most people in LA would applaud it, by the way.
I also agree with Louise in that Trump was misled by many and his ego got in his way first time around. He's smarter this time and more ruthless.
Rufo is foolish man and this post of his is evidence of that. You lack the ability to think for yourself. Some “thinker” makes a post on Substack and blindly accept his “reasonableness” because of your genuflection to perceived “authority”. Rufo is no generational genius and his opinions exhibit those of a man with little historical knowledge and a shallow perception of reality.
don't know who the"you" is in your post,but during my lifetime I, and the rest of my generation, did not have social media to tell us when to wipe our butt. So there is that.
Agree. Totally.
Well said my friend 💖
WELL SAID LOIS, SPOT ON!
Jeff Childers (Coffee and Covid) has an interesting take on the riots and speculates that they aren’t really about immigration…that’s just a front. They’re actually tied to the 5% remittance tax in the great big beautiful bill and Mexico is NOT HAPPY about it. They’ve called for mobilization in the US…remittance income in 2024 accounted for close to $65 billion in revenue for Mexico, 3.5% of their GDP. Imagine losing 5% of that. Immigration tugs at heart strings…but it’s always about the money.
I think it would behoove our president to expose this fact to the citizens of the US.
https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/fiesta-in-la-monday-june-9-2025-c?r=19oj26&utm_medium=ios
thanks for posting that link! Lots of good info
If Sheinbaum doesn't like Trump's 5% remittance tax, perhaps she should call all her people back home & find jobs for them in their own country.
Jeff always has really interesting perspectives. Highly recommend his coffee&covid substack, it’s my daily must-read.
The many Mexican flags flying supports that. Some showed maps from 1830 indicating the La Raza battle continues, but it seems it’s a failed endeavor.
Follow the money
The insurrection is also about Congrressional control, and maintaining seats in the House. As sensible folks flee places like CA, the number of reps CA is accorded drops. Illegals (who are magically counted as legitimate citizens in places like CA) add to the state's headcount and allow CA to seat more leftard reps in the House.
One in four residents of CA are immigrants. Legal immigrants - doubt it. With 25% of your population that’s a lot of representation to lose.
Do you believe that all immigrants are in favor of illegals and against deportation?
No. Legal immigrants - like my family, want everyone to do it the legal way. Rule breakers ruin it for everyone & make the law abiding look like suckers.
Jeff is the BEST! Always has a different viewpoint from what "everybody" thinks, and manages to find the optimism in even the darkest topics. Highly recommended.
I second that! I always say he's the white pill I take with my coffee every morning to get me through the day in these dark times.
And the fact that they come with so much important information, thoughtful analysis, and original insight makes his posts the ones a make sure never to miss!
I protested the illegal deportations without due process today and it had nothing to do with a 5% tax. Also, I was unpaid -Ii have heard a lot of propaganda that protestors are getting paid to show up. No, I'm just American. I want America to survive, so I'm showing up to peacefully - not in a jan 6th way - draw attention to the lack of due process with current ICE operations. ICE quotas are so high that they're making mistakes - we're deporting legal citizens. Exitless prison for people we aren't even sure we should be removing id bonkers. Exitless prison is bonkers, typically people get deported back to their country of origin.
Ps. At the protest today I heard the "no Ice, no kkk, no fascist USA" chant and I'm not a no-ICE person. I believe in secure borders and I was really angry when trump killed the 2024 border deal just so he could run on border security.
Ps This game isn't brown vs white or legal vs illegal, it's rich vs poor. And if your staff isn't reading this to you while you enjoy your seventh home's infinity pool before jetting to your Never Die Immortality Retreat on some gorgeous island, you're not who they consider "rich." Be careful, these are high stakes with lasting consequences.
Thanks for reading.
Did you protest during the Clinton deportations? Or the Bush Deportations? Or the Obama deportations (which greatly outnumbered Trumps deportations)? All deported without “due process.” No. You did not. No one did. If you oppose and want to protest the deportations of rapists, murderers, drug dealers and traffickers, be my guest. The organizing you see (gas masks, coordinated signage and attire, cinder blocks, etc) is a coordinated effort bought and paid for by those who have a vested interested in keeping that 5% in their countries and upsetting the electorate here. Do I want to see hard working honest immigrants deported? No. In fact, I have hired immigration attorneys to help others with their immigration status. But that’s not what this is. This is something much more sinister. And it’s just the beginning. So I, for one, and happy for a strong arm and a strong stance stopping another “summer of love” before it begins.
DJT First Term: 1.5 million deportations
Barack Obama: 5 million deportations
George W. Bush: 10 million deportations
Bill Clinton: 2 million deportations
https://english.elpais.com/usa/2024-11-19/trump-deported-fewer-people-than-obama-clinton-or-bush-but-more-indiscriminately.html
That dumbass border bill from the demented biden was a fucking insult. End it all which trump has done at the border now deport all of the invasion force from biden and beyond.
that is an element of what is going on.. the ISSUE IS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. I get what you are saying but that is not the driving force here. IN fact. may of the so called peaceful protestors are paid.. by whom I can only guess..
Trump "holding off" and not sending the troops to deal with BLM riots near the WH was the dumbest, most cucked decision ever.
Law breakers should be dealt with according to the law, not to "optics", and especially not to the optics of moderate conservatives.
These nerds should be obliterated, you know, it will be big, beautiful, incredibly cozy, and mostly peaceful.
Stop worrying.
That’s why he took action. He first called Gavin Newsom, but he refused to act to call his NG, or demand the LAPD act. Federal officials were physically violated. It was his lawful responsibility to act as he did. I looked for weapons with each tranche of NG and Marines and didn’t see them. I saw them assisting the LAPD, who became motivated to enforce the law with a stronger force. (The original reaction of the fear of being fired as the Fire Chief was for her reaction to the mayor’s directives.)
1) Trump doesn't do subtle. 2) This is a Machiavellian approach that would leave federal agents and private property at risk and make it look like ICE is losing. It would make Trump look ineffective, and he needs, especially now, to look like he is in control.
Sometimes the public baton massage is what's needed.
Not beating protesters or rioters mercilessly, but absolutely dropping the hammer on anyone who interferes with an arrest. Putting the cuffs on someone is a vulnerable moment for a cop, and when someone jumps on them, kicks them, etc., that person needs to get absolutely walloped.
The president is allowed to send in the National Guard when Federal buildings are at risk. The LAPD is not allowed, by CA law to assist ICE. Read Erick-Woods Erickson's column this AM to find out more. I received it in a newsletter & haven't figured out how to share a link from it.
Meaning injured ICE agents were on their own without Federal officers being brought in to assist - because of the sanctuary city state law preventing state or municipal police from assisting ICE.
While LAPD may not help ICE (classic stupidity) the Department is charged with the responsibility of protecting the safety and rights of the residents. It is a fine organization but handcuffed by the far left politicians of City Hall and special interests. We worked closely with teams of off duty LAPD officers to keep buildings cleared of drug dealing gangs and the drug addicted hookers (some barely teens) whom they used as an additional income source. Of course the owners paid twice ( taxes and direct payments) for the services due from the City.
hum.. that sounds interesting.
This is logical and follows Jeff Childers, of Coffee and Covid's, observation that we are supporting the illegal immigrants countries because they are not there fixing their own governments but coming here for free money to send home. Newsom should be made to bear all the responsibility for the actions happening on his watch. While the illegals live here without skin in the game to support it, they are destroying the lives and property of those who are here working and are the support of those doing the destruction.
I was really surprised to see Chris Rufo taking this view.
I am a Canadian, living in a Canadian city slowly being rotted by Left Coast progressivism. I am talking about people dying in the streets, as if this were Calcutta, not Canada - totally not what I was brought up with. But bear with me.
Okay, let's say we are in for a bout of Summer of Love progressivism here: Pro-Fentanyl riots start downtown and begin to spread. Cars in flames, shop windows smashed, stores looted, police on stretchers ... and I hear that the riots are spreading our way, closer to the seniors' building where I live...
Which would give me more comfort? A "subtle hand" or "The Prime Minister has declared the War Measures Act and two regiments are ordered into the region immediately to assist the police in restoring order."
This is not a "civil rights" cause! It's an insurrection among people who mostly have no business being in the United States anyway. People the United States shouldn't even want. And it could certainly happen here too. Indeed, I expect it will.
As Mark Steyn pointed out, the vandals and looters wave the Mexican flag because they are conquerors and can defy the law in the United States. And if the federal government doesn't prove them wrong on that point, why DO Americans obey laws and pay taxes?
The rioters should be given the J6 treatment, however long it takes.
Yes, Pre-Trial Detention for a few years until the AG is ready -after the Grand Jury’s hearings, followed by trials. No due process, speedy trial. But that never happens in the USA 🇺🇸, right?
I don't claim that what happened to those J6 people was necessarily just, only that it shows how different things are when the *elite* feels threatened.
I wish more Americans could see what their elite - especially their media elite - really thinks of them when they are told that torching someone's car or looting someone's business is a "mostly peaceful" riot.
No riot is "mostly peaceful." It is a contradiction in terms.
If you can't get your government to (seriously) care when insurgents waving a foreign flag are looting and destroying a part of your city, why are you paying their taxes and obeying their laws? How soon can you pick another government? This is a blunt issue, not a subtle one.
And we can be sure of one thing: If the tactic works for the insurgents, it is bound to be tried again.
Taibbi and Kern had a good point that might be smart of Trump to make: who’s in favor of this? If it’s a “mostly peaceful exercise of civil disobedience in the name of civil rights”, where are the community leaders and politicians to lead it?
Call them out, show them for who they are (or pretend to be), and let THEM squirm. Explain to all of us why they think this is a good idea and how this benefits our country and our kids.
I’ll have to listen to that, but there were 6 days and nights of no peace evident. No “ifs”
Too late. Trump already sent the Nattional Guard and apparently some Marines too. Newsome's and Bass's argument that they were in control sounds preposterous.
A couple of months Bass was up for a lynching over the fire debacle. From Newson too because he has Presidential aspirations. He was even liking Trump.Nothing happened to Bass and Gavin's aspirations went up in the smoke.
Gavin might have gotten played by the liberal women who are his base. He's a crafty fucker, but it's easy to get painted into a corner when you're not a woman in the California Democrat machine.
At the end of the day, he's another rich, straight, white guy, and there are a lot of power-hungry liberal women who want his spot and his donors for themselves.
It is preposterous!
The NG is there to protect the ICE building. Not control the rioters. Although they might if things really escalate. Not certain as to the Marines presence- but it does show strength
that is pretty much the short version of what I said. and I agree w/ Trump's decision.
I do not think Chris is saying do nothing, he's saying be subtle. Following the leaders and then arresting them is very smart.
The picture of an overwhelming force protecting a federal building is great. A statement that this is what the feds will do until asked to do more is Exactly what to do.
Yes, some of the cities will burn, but they are resisting help. Obviously not smart. Waiting until later to ask for help will make them look really bad.
The left thinks these rioters are controllable. As if. Leftists may have lit the fire, but it will soon get out if control.
A smart move would be setting up sanctuary spaces for citizens who feel imperiled by the riots. Show the federal government offering to protect locals who have been abandoned by the city and state.
That's pretty interesting.
Provide signage to busines owners saying "Beware: Protection provided by the Federal Government by request."
And station a squad of heavily armed guards.
Where are you getting the armed guards from. Who will pay them? Is that even legal.
Pvt. agencies do that kind of work.
1 From the military and national guard
2 the cost is de minimus
3 most small businesses do not have the money
As a comment, protecting the populace is the primary reason for a government.
The feds have no legal way of doing that?
They can’t unless the Governor and Police are not protecting them.
The entire purpose of these riots is to provoke a reaction from the Trump administration that will create images of the purported “authoritarian dictatorship”. These images would be widely disseminated through news and social media. The intended audience of the images is the general public for the purpose of creating an emotional response against “Hitler”. Here is where the training they receive and their operations plan: https://beautifultrouble.org
The plan is to do the same across the nation on the 14th, as we celebrate our 250th birthday in DC. I remember 1976, the 200th. We had a left, but apparently no hatred of Jimmy Carter (CDS).
Correct. They want chaos so they can attempt to strengthen their totalitarianism. It's been the left's playbook for over two centuries.
I agree with the “purpose of the riots” but I think what the left is missing is that most people don’t care what they think or what they report - not going to change most people’s minds
The left if 99.999% wrong all of the time...and always has been around the world. It's simple.
and Newsom will ask for Federal monet
Correct. And therein lies the secret to the destruction of the CA democratic party. Starve them of money and resources. Only then will they be voted into extinction.
That might happen anyway. They have not paid the taxes they owe. $75M ?
We can only hope. But 75M won't begin to be enough
Maybe Newsome, Pelosi, Schiff, Bass, Swalwell and many other dems can beg Soros for more money, and turn themselves into another country. But I doubt even Soros has that much money to waste. Stop funding CA!
Send Soros to jail for funding terrorists
Trump is not subtle. I like him
Who was paying these rioters? It’s possible that it could be Mexico, due to the taxes on remittances increase?
Very good advice. Would that Trump would have a good team of advisors, who could give him the options he might follow to quell this situation. Alas, Trump will end up shooting from the hip, probably listening to the wrong people, just as he did with the tariffs, listening to guys like Navarro .
I say this as one who supports tough policy on the border. Sadly, if you do not take the political reactions in to account, you are destined to fail. The Democrats keep giving Trump ammunition to fire at them, so accept it from them.
Newsom and Bass are weaklings, and Trump should not save them.
Under Newsom and local Democrats both San Francisco and LA have gone from great cities to the top of the list of California Cities to Avoid. Businesses are fleeing, office vacancies are approaching 35% and buildings have lost more than half their value. It affects local agencies which see drops in property taxes and many banks and other lenders who have seen their loans lose value. Had California citizens not reigned in political spending with Prop 13 the impact would be even greater. Not an accident that the cities are run by friends of George Soros.
Navarro, pHD in Economics from Harvard. The trade deal with China was lost. But Stephen Miller might be the guy for this in one way, and the economists in another Bessent. JD and Rubio. The cabinet is pretty strong.
From a Californian's perspective? Gavin Newsom is a waste of space and entirely responsible for this situation. LA County is also to blame. But should the state's citizens wait for a better visual for Trump? No. We waited too long in the summer of 2020 riots. People were murdered, property destroyed, and billions of dollars of insurance money spent to rebuild. If Trump waits, people will die. Stop the riots now. And yes, Chris is right in one respect, follow the riot leaders, arrest them immediately, and no bail this time.
i would normally say let them reap what they sow and burn, except that i live in california and am sick of letting these fanatics burn my state. California is responsible for california that is true but we are currently ruled by extremists that people were too stupid to have voted for. we NEED DJT to help.
Every community is purple. The bad behavior of Blues always impacts Reds.
There are more Republican voters in California than in any other state. There are even more Democrats, of course.
Not quite. Trump 2024: 6.3m in TX, 6.1m in CA.
TX doesn't seem to have public registration numbers that I could find with a quick Google search. CA had 5m something Republicans.
I said voters, not registrations. Due to its outsized population, California has significantly more votes for both parties than any other state.
Trump had more voters/votes in TX than CA in 2024. Not by much, but that "CA has more R voters than anywhere else" is contradicted by the 2024 election totals that I provided (easily googled).
YOU can help by getting rid of every democratic senator and rep in the next elections. You guys have made some really bad choices--Pelosi, Schiff, Waters, Bass et al. DJT can't do much to help you unless you help yourselves. Too many local politicians who fight him at every turn.
You are right, We in the cental valley only seemed to vote republicans in, We also don't have any voter ID laws. In fact checking voter ID is illegal!. I am personally just planning my move to Montana. California is really not a democracy were voting actually works. California is just full of moochers and looters scavenging on the dying body of california and everyone who can is leaving.
I was in Minneapolis during the GF riots. Gov Waltz wanted the Guard in but didn’t give them orders and it looked like a set up as they didn’t have official orders. Then the city burned and the 3rd precinct was compromised and taken over. People who were arrested were bailed out compliments of Kamala Harris and her friends. In LA this is a color revolution and Mexico is fueling the fires with a lot of help from the socialist and communists who are set on destroying our country.
Great point, Chris! Although Los Angeles resembles the riots of the past (one commentator even mentioned Kent State), we have significantly better tools to quell the riots at this time. Use drones and other technology to track and arrest the leaders. Find out who ordered the Waymo, and follow up on the sources of the bricks and supplies. There are additional ways to get ahead of this situation that will yield the results we all want to see, but unfortunately, force may also be needed. Most importantly, we don't want this to spread to other blue states where our brave ICE agents are trying to do the job that most Americans voted for.
How's this for a grotesque but possibly effective way to get them off the streets and keep them off the streets. Fly helicopters over the demonstrators, instruct them that they are engaging in an unlawful non-peaceful demonstration and tell them to leave immediately or face the consequences. The consequences might be spreading paint, dye, a smelly substance, an itchy substance or something equally obnoxious but not lethal over that area. Relatively cost effective and street effective. Depending on the substance, it might require medical or other assistance and when they go for help an ICE operative or policeman can be there to arrest them.
That is the left’s plan for the 250th birthday.
The work you describe would be performed by local police who are handcuffed by the politicians.
The anti israel violence on college campuses after the attack on Israel was largely Soros sponsored and supported with vast amounts of supplies and coaching .
FBI needs to pick up the trail from the brick deliveries. Throw people in jail for treason, they will sing like birds. Leads back to Soros or wherever …treason and racketeering…
I saw on Twitter today that an heiress billionaire of Walmart is funding the June 14 protests across the country. Someone spotted a big supply of helmets delivered to protestors. They happened to be sold by Walmart so some sleuth traced the money. It was just a post so it may be disputed. But I traced money that Walmart gives about three years ago and they had many many leftist NGO contributions.
Walmart is a global organization with an abundance of products from China and interestingly enough from Vietnam.
This is a maze, a spider web of crooks all interconnected.
Is that a real thing?
Every rock-thrower should be convicted of a felony and imprisoned, as they would be if they were Trump-aligned.