Terrorism - Noun- the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.
Thanks for reminding people that terrorism has a pretty precise definition. I get annoyed when people use "terrorism" to mean, more or less, stuff I don't like.
Its actually quite simple. I really don't care if it is called terrorism, vandalism, property destruction... It is unlawful property destruction and those who do so need to be prosecuted and punished for the purpose of property rights and rule of law. Plus go after those who incite the property destruction whether it is verbally or financially.
If someone takes part in an organized campaign to vandalize synagogues or churches is it your position that the prosecution should focus only on the property destruction aspect?
Why not? The Tesla burners aren’t doing it because they like fires. They’re doing it to attack participation in the political process and to send a message that you better not support that person by buying a Tesla or else your car might be damaged or destroyed, too.
Nothing unlawful about responding to terrorists who initiate violence. In USA it's the progressives that are initiating violence as it is Hamas and other Islamist factions. They know no peace but seek blood of innocents.
The stock skyrocketed up after inauguration and then went way down before the current vandalism campaign. And it hasn’t changed much since then, in my observation. Furthermore, the post-inauguration settle point is still a high water mark for Biden years.
It seems to me like your own view of this has been unduly influenced/hijacked by the Lefty commie terrorists.
I disagree with your analysis. The Left is fueled by Trump Derangement Syndrome, and all unhinged delusional masses go after the symbols they believe are representatives of the men they hate for standing up to their delusions. In this case heterosexual white men with power are standing up to the Rainbow delusions. More importantly, Musk is going after their money laundering system, and thus the key criminals and the elite recipients of that system must act to cover their crimes and keep the cash coming. Otherwise, many will go to jail. This is merely one battle in the ongoing civil war
@Josh- Musk isn't cancelling anyone's grants or anything of the like. He's pointing out flaws to Trump and his team who then take that information, investigate, and do what is necessary. Musk knows his place. And if you're going to shame someone regarding their higher education, the least you could do is spell correctly.
Musks involvement may be indirect but under this administration, billions of dollars of grants have been frozen. Including my cousins. I'm not sure what shame you're referring to? I'm just asking questions.
You should care more about a billionaire shadow president who wasn't elected by us to audit our money. He obviously has nothing to gain from auditing the departments that are investigating him/are in his interests to dismantle. If you believe this guy cares, you're stupid.
I don't think that you have to be directly connected with mass "education" to realize that the main players in "education" are not concerned with "education" primarily, but with POWER.
I think the main concern of mass "education" should be education, but at first blush, I notice that mass "education" doesn't seem so much concerned at education accountability and results, only MORE MONEY. In fact, mass education seems massively UNCONCERNED with should be their main goal, education, but all I have noticed is outrage and blame shifting as some of the $$$ going into the maw of mass "education" is questioned. Reducing money spent on trans animals and teaching pottery skills to Moroccan nationals seem to be just as upsetting (and worthy of keeping) as projects/systems (supposedly) directed 100% to education. And the thousands and millions of "no show" and other jobs averaging well over $100,000/yr seem to be so well run that (according to mass "education") no improvement or "fine tuning" to stop an inevitable collapse of the US economy is needed or desired- and with our economy as uneven as it presently is this attitude is not going well with the average citizen, who is usually APPALLED at the waste, fraud, and misuse of our tax money.
As the worst excesses of our government money managing is brought to light, I see this almost universal anger of the average citizen to INCREASE.
The attacks on Musk are a reflection of the Deep State concern and anger at the redirection of funds previously used for a vast slush fund for "democrat" causes (although vast amounts of money sent to the Taliban seem to not advance the interests of any American, rather the reverse) although the Deep State is desperately trying to change that narrative
ABSOLUTELY Richard! The people controlling "the grants" the money going to education-- are collecting huge salaries as heads of unions; getting overpaid for inconsequential, even useless work so they can then contribute politically. IF--education today was working well, why have test scores gone down?
Never thank heavens! Old enough to know communism and fascism, diktats and socialist ideologías do not work - took me a while to wake up to the systematic abuse of education though and therefore kids by these overbearing radicalising institutions and those selected to dumb down everything, starting with thought - about 50 years actually!
Why are so many people so mean, cynical and triggered in this? There are thousands of people in the education world as a whole that do excellent work and we are all better for it. It's ongoing. Trump really has convinced his devotees that American is trash and he will make it great. It's already great. We just need to stop people like him for convincing people like in this forum to be so polarized and mad when people disagree with you
No dimwit, Trump has not “convinced” us that America is “trash.” He, and we who support him, believe America is “resting on one’s laurels.” You’re probably too young to have heard that phrase. Your communications are not well reasoned or suggestive of experience or leadership.
The DOE was not in existence until I graduated from college. It’s hard to wrap my head around the federal government making education viable in local districts (which my Dad did for 30 years). He knew the Principals, Teachers, and the Students, and chose the curriculum. It’s doable.
All the metrics on educational outcomes say otherwise. Literacy has declined sharply along with other knowledge learning. Calling people mean who say things you don’t like is not an argument. Analyze the causes, don’t just dismiss anecdotally.
I'm not sure I follow. How would you know anything you're claiming without having experienced it? My wife has been a teacher/professor for 13 years. She's outstanding and a very good person. I've also been into and out of universities my whole life. What you're asserting isn't as bad as tha MAGA crowd would have you believe. Trust me, I get it. Was I was at Mizzou, I was very annoyed with somw of the "woke" stuff. But at large, MIZZOU is a great institution along with it's students. This goes for most higher education. Radical progressive ideology is a problem. But so is the MAGA world, like Rufo, trying to privatize education under the banner of Christianity. That's a bigger problem IMO.
I get you defending your and your wife's jobs but in the real world (outside of what you call education), people and institutions are judged by results. The kids our school and university system are presently producing for the most part are the most ignorant in the history of the country. Completely unable to think. It's an absolute crime what you've done to these kids heads, a massive moral atrocity because you had to worship at the alter of progressivism or other related garbage such as post modern non thought.
John, in addition to your accurately stated ideological reasons of dumbing down of the younger generation, there is also an economic one. With the manufacturing moving out of the country, it took the technical expertise, inventiveness and engineering knowledge and genius with it. Many did not understand it at the time, but it has become obvious now with low rate of applications for engineering majors. Engineering disciplines require more stamina and hard work than business administration, and kids are too lazy and not interested because k-12 does not inspire a thirst for real comprehensive education in most of them. It is all interconnected.
1. Leftist ideology disguised as 'education' is being crammed down children's throats and the DOE is responsible for shoving parents aside and demanding control of our children's minds.
2. The DOE is a bloated beaurocracy. Privatizing education is a great idea which brings options for education.
3. Your friend and cousin aren't entitled to receiving federal grants. Why do they need government assistance when the rest of us just worked hard on our own?
4. I am thankful for the DOGE team for VOLUNTEERING their time and expertise to clean up this mess, and that doesn't mean I have Trump Devotion Syndrome. I can think for myself - issue to issue - and come to my own conclusions.
5. It's unbelievable to me that anyone could possibly think Elon is acting in ONLY self interest. He is volunteering his time to save our country and save YOUR tax dollars while he watches whiny babies in the street torch and burn his company down. And you call that selfish??
6. Elon hasn't ruined anyone's life by cleaning out duplicate/unnecessary/fraudulent 'jobs'. These employees aren't entitled to a job. If they're that qualified to do something, they can find a job elsewhere. I don't want my tax dollars paying for them to 'work' from home. They can't even make a list of 5 things they accomplished in the last week. It's insane.
Sure there's some good colleges...but only a few . ALL should be great...especially for the tuition that is charged. Josh--glad you know a couple of good examples. EXPAND your horizons and look at the big picture. It must be *fixed or there is no future.
I miss spelled a work so I guess that means everything I every said ever is wrong. Strawmaning at it finest. Plus, I'm slightly dyslexic. Is that ok with you? Or did I trigger you too?
You seem very unhappy with your life. I recommend not listening to the orange man and his billionaire sidekick doing illegal things under the guise of fixing everything. You obviously hate how democracy works if you are on board with these assholes fucking up the country thinking it's a business. Are you for Elon buying judges too? And saying that judges shouldn't rule on the president's executive orders?
You've obviously been captured by Trump Devotion Syndrom. You must be completely nieve and consumed with conformation bias to think that the richest man in the world, a non elected official, who is billions of dollars richer because of the federal government, is the one to save us from the "corrupt elites". You and everyone else know he's acting in self-interest. Ex. A person I know had a dream to start a business. He obtained a federal grant. Elon canceled is and ruined his life. Amoung many other thousands of people. Do you Elons grants have be frozen? His subsidies? His contracts? Absolutely not.
Anecdote about someone with a “dream”!to start a business on a federal grant? But the grant was cancelled and it’s all Elon’s fault said persons life is ruined? Businesses are usually built on a solid idea, hard work, risk taking and tenacity, not on “dreams” and federal money.
This abstract fictional character has no right to any taxpayer money. He can borrow money from private interests if his vision is communicative enough for a private investment firm to invest in him. Government doesn't even have enough money for legitimate functions- we have no business trying to fulfill dreams of individuals with taxpayers money. And the last 4 years show the idiocy of unchecked printing of money to fulfill various dreams untethered t reality.
I'm concerned with MY DREAMS of keeping a roof over my head and having enough to eat- I am UNCONCERNED with (for instance) private citizens with taxpayer money like Stacy Abrams, seeking to "upgrade" their "democrat" interests because (among many other reasons) this money (paid for by all) is only going toward Stacy's clientele.
Like FEMA money only going to "democrat" sufferers in North Carolina after the hurricane
I do believe that you and thousands of others IE Gov. workers are 50 50 good hard working people vs do nothing grifter off the US taxpayer's dollars. The waste and fraud being exposed by DOGE has created a group of , now fired, workers being nothing but mad that the Gov. sugar teat has been removed. Blaming DOGE etc for exposing them has made them very vindictive. The likes of Soros are not going to let go of the gov. teat without a fight.
I am with DOGE and Musk on the need to get to the one's funding the vandalism. Charge them with RICO or what ever The DOJ finds that is a crime. Paying for vandalism is a crime. A rabid pack of dogs needs to be done away with along with their paying instigators.
Everyone is against fraud and waste. I have no doubt there is fraud and waste. But is a non elected, billionaire with major conflicts of interest and everything to gain the right person for the job. I don't think so. Not to mention his "team" making a lot of mistakes that cost people their jobs and livelihood. Imagine if Obama appointed Soros to the same sort of position? I Imagine the DOGE crowd singing a different tune entirely. Also, where is the evidence that someone/people are funding vandalism against Tesla? These crimes are a major problem, but Elon is an impossible lier who doesn't take accountability for is words or actions. He's playing the billionaire victim card. It's laughable bc there's no way what he says and does can lead to people making choices to sell or not buy his products
An education professional who can't spell LIAR, and doesn't bother to use a spell checker? I rest my case. Your dem talking points need some adjustments. There are tens of thousands on non-elected individuals running a corrupt bureaucracy.
Too much imagining. Would you care to specify how much he's gaining from an unpaid job? How much are his volunteers gaining? Yes, this monstrosity of the system is so cluttered, a handful of volunteers have to search by keywords and make mistakes. Should he hire a departmentful and give everybody and himself a nice salary? Then it will take forever to do the actual job.
So, now anonymous commenters on Substack have to become interested and give the money or something?
If it's a good idea, get investors to fund it, get a loan from a bank against your assets. If it's a nonprofit, collect donations. Bootstrap it working hard with no pay for months. Business owners and investors are the ones taking the risk, not taxpayers. This insane level of entitlement suggests that the government money spigot has to be turned off.
Sorry Josh. You couldn't be more wrong. And your hilarious take on TDS is laughable. Of course your education background/philosophy is partially at fault for the education travesty we now experience. I have an education background and gave up on the education establishment many years ago. I wonder what kind of business your 'friend' was attempting to start, while they had to go to the feds for money? Will you share that with us?
Why won't you reveal the specifics? You are a typical troll. Being a good democrat is not necessarily being a good individual. But you're trying to be sincere, right? Goodbye.
You're the one who came at me all triggered because what? You made a bunch of presumptions about what I mean? If you care about having sincere argument, ask me what I mean. Otherwise, why respond? I'll tell you why...you're more interested in confirming you're own trigger happy emotions, making accusations like you know who I am and what my political affiliations are and insulting people who you disagree with. Hav a drinkk adn realx nda heva a godo night :)
Always the same…. I know 1 person Blabla… and what about the millions who received money for doing literally nothing? Not even showing up for work? This is not how life works… bringing up an example of 1 friend. Grow up!
It’s one thing to be off-track and another to not realize that there are "tracks". Wake up and welcome to the 21st Century! P.S. Keep an eye on your spell-checker too.
I'll make sure I do. It seems like you took the time and energy out of your day to understand what I was saying regardless of a typo. But decided to be an ass anyway. Let me guess...you voted for Trump?
It’s ironic your name is something you’re incapable of engaging in. Do you really think stamping your feet, pointing and saying, " … you voted for Trump" is proper behavior for a red-blooded human man? Grow up.
Ha-ha, so in one paragraph someone feels entitled to start a business on taxpayer dime, but Elon, who's working for free to cut the waste, is the one who's taking advantage of the system. Next time try to start a business like all of us, peasants, do, with a private loan.
Again, someone with zero interest in knowing specifics of my example by asking questions, still sticking up for the richest man in the world working for free? He makes billions off the govt.
Are you entitled to questions and what has it to do with Elon? Who's a successful self-made billionaire who built profitable businesses, not some loser whining on the internet. Oh, and "making money" is exchange for unique services isn't wasting money. But capitalism is so bad!
I've seen many Silicon Valley founders who arrogantly felt that their idea was the next big thing (not really), asking for free labor from engineers (the answer is No, pay out of pocket or learn to write code yourself). I still haven't see anyone whining about ruined life because they didn't get government freebies. And envious of Elon Musk.
Several motives are operating in this noxious atmosphere: an "element of left-wing Luddism", TDS, and primarily resentment, as Rufo said. Resentment is the root cause of TDS.
Many will go to jail, and worse. Being deranged and delusional have never been an excuse for criminal acts, although incarceration in a mental institution would likely be their lot. Where are the arresting authorities?
Exactly. Marxism is the driving ideology, not TDS. Trump-Musk is merely the roadblock to the Marxist plan as orchestrated by the Soro’s, Obama’s and others. Marxist strategy includes propaganda, intimidation, violence, class and culture warfare, election interference and so forth—all present in the current environment. Until Marxist tactics and strategies are understood to include antidotes by American voters this will not stop.
Agreed these are all tactics. The left uses whatever is necessary to respond to real time events. the operational tactic is to: instill "ruthless criticism on all things"—Marx; create maximum chaos; and to do whatever is required in order to continue the revolution. For right now, their revolution is being derailed in multiple countries and fundamentally threatened. The problem is Trump and Elon and others are not really doing what is required to explain to the public what and why of these attacks are occuring. They need to expose the threads on this to the real perpetrators behind the revolution. Perhaps they really dont understand the depth of the war that they have entered into.
I’m not sure Trump and Elon need to be the ones who inform Americans of the Marxist agenda but rather conservatives in the information Marketplace be it academia, television, print, internet. I learned the importance of the 2A when I worked next to a former lawyer of Castro who defected when he realized Castro was a Communist and had told freedom fighters “bring your guns to the armory now, we don’t need them.” As “soon as they locked the armory, people who complained would disappear from their homes. Don’t ever let them take your 2nd Amendment away or America will lose its freedom.” Movies, books , anecdotes widely shared from real people can make a difference.
Take it a step further; DOJ should set up a division to monitor the activities of all the “prosecutors” and evaluate each for effectiveness and fairness - and then go after the most grievous offenders. Then citizens could get their voice back. Maybe we bring back public funding for prosecutors, and limit donations to $10 per voter (when they’re their jurisdiction). Cut out the carpetbagger funds.
We were told by Biden and the Bidenistas that the greatest threat to our nation's security was not external, but internal. The threat was supposedly posed by White Christian Nationalists that they dubbed as white supremacists. This was the opposite of the truth, per the usual, they in Marxist fashion, inverted the truth. Today, as in the 1970s, we see, once again, that the greatest internal threat to national peace and equanimity is the left's knee-jerk use of violence and intimidation to advance their program, when hey cannot do so through the usual organs of representative democracy. The current use of violence will escalate and the leadership of the democrat party will both incite it and support it. As the left becomes frustrated with their lack of progress, they will resort to move violent extremism. And, as in the early 1970s, it will take political courage and the full force of the law to prevent what are now acts of vandalism that will likely escalate to riots, bombings and worse, if the past is prologue to the present, as it usually is. The tide has gone out on the left, but the tide always comes back in. It is essential to prepare for that eventual incoming tide and to get as much done as possible, now, that cannot be reversed easily later, under the present administration. Conservatives must continue to educate and work to claim the hearts and minds of younger Americans. None of this is easy because they have captured the mainstream media and the educational establishment, but the battle is far from being over, and may never be over. To preserve liberty, freedom, free markets and capitalism, and the American way into the future, will be an ongoing endeavor, with ups and downs, advances and retreats, but it is well worth the effort, or as the left would put it, the fight.
"We were told by Biden and the Bidenistas that the greatest threat to our nation's security was not external, but internal. "
Who's the threat today, according to this administration? Not Russia. We've ceased all cyber operations involving the Kremlin (though I'm reasonably certain they've not returned the favor). North Korea? China? Iran?
This administration seems so confident that we are beloved the world over that they offered buyout packages to the entire CIA workforce with the hopes there would be mass resignations. Not 10%. Not 20%. 100%.
While I'm not suggesting domestic vandalism isn't a crime (regardless of the politics behind it), is it really the #1 problem we face when it comes to national security?
"Today, as in the 1970s, we see, once again, that the greatest internal threat to national peace and equanimity is the left's knee-jerk use of violence and intimidation"
Perhaps if the CIA had not been allowed (ordered?) to conduct spying on Americans within the United States (which is outside the domain of their legal activities), they might have been spared the scalpel. Also, knowing from personal experience the intensity of loyalty to "the Company" that beats within the breast of most CIA employees, my suspicion is that only a small number of them would have voluntarily accepted the offer of pre-retirement resignation (early out). So, as long as a scalpel (not a chainsaw) is used for cost cutting therein, the Agency will retain its full capabilities.
Trump and Musk are in what is an anti-revolution and is a real hot war that will likely get worse and not better--high ground must be taken and people need to indicted and put into jail. God willing, this trajectory will not result in a real civil war.
Address the problem at its source. Who is coordinating and funding this campaign of political violence? A walkaway with whom I am acquainted has received daily texts to invite him to participate in the Tesla takedown. He was so disgusted with it that it was his decision point to leave the Democratic Party for good. The coordination is obvious. Find out who. Freeze their funding stream. Prosecute its command and control.
Yes it is definitely fueled by resentment of the wealthy, but primarily it is quite directly the attempt to get their political way when they couldn’t do it by winning the election. They are attempting to intimidate Musk from helping carry out Trumps agenda AND intimidating others by letting them know that they could be next if they support the president.
That is textbook terrorism that undermines democracy in this country and they should accordingly receive very harsh sentences.
Cloward Piven comes to mind. Tactics of communists are always in flux. They do what is required to continue the revolution. And if they cannot get their way, they will attempt to burn the system down. Prayer to the God in heaven right now towards that end is critical.
One year ago the hard left were rabid environmentalists and Musk was their hero. Nearly a total flip has occurred and the green new deal has desolved shown for what it was—illegal grift and hoax science done in order to redistribute wealth. This again shows that the left are not internally inconsistent showing their total incapacity to govern effectively. This is what all nations submerged under communism find out the hard way—a total loss of freedoms and pounding on the door in the middle of the night.
What the Tesla/Musk haters want is to get in the news or any other kind of notoriety. The less we click on the story, the less it will get priority.
I appreciate your analysis of what the radicals are doing because it explains how hard they work at losing. But you know the old saying, never interrupt your enemy when he is the process of destroying himself.
That's silly. They are doing it anonymously. People need to know what is happening and the twitter posts I see are often aimed at identifying the dopes who can't tell vandalism from terrorism and I hope will be getting a pretty consequential wake up call.
The Left is anti-wealth except when it comes to themselves, then as DOGE has shown they will steal whatever they can hoping we won't notice. Well, we have proof now thanks to Musk. That's why they hate him. The gig is up! Trump Derangement Syndrome also is fueling their fury.
I think there is a missing puzzle piece in this “Tesla Takedown” story. This is coordinated and funded by other billionaires who feel an existential threat in Musk. They are not going to let up until they take Musk and Trump down. Soros and their billionaire ilk are dedicated leftists who want to see this country collapse and a new regime rise. Go after them and they will take their foot off the gas of the protesters. Expose them. Shame them. Investigate them. Watch what happens. FAFO all the way.
Radical activists come in a couple of well-known categories. You get the Trust Fund kids with no real need to work but a pressing need to look important in some way. Or the moneyed women out for a virtue-signaling lark like many of the earlier suffragettes.
Another group -- Tends to be a rite-of-passage for some university students to claim they were in this or that protest. They score points.
Then you have the retirees. And the middle-class kids who are lost and cannot blend into the workforce, so they join a group that will take them.
At the bottom are the homeless who get paid $50 and a warm meal to pretend they are protesters.
These are all influence-able people. Waving money at them will do it in some cases. Waving social prestige will do it in other cases.
I agree that other billionaires are likely funding this, but I am not convinced that exposing or shaming them will do the trick. They will simply deny it all, for one. Or wait for the uproar to die down.
Musk is not Tesla. He didn't start Tesla (that was Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning). He didn't invent the electric car. Even as primary shareholder, his stocks amount to little more than 13% of the company. How much he's actually involved in the day-to-day operations of the company seems to be an unknown. As such, targeting Tesla and its other employees is misguided, and vandalism is always a crime that should be met with penalties including fines and/or jail time.
That being said, Musk is not being targeted because he's rich. No progressive has a problem with Bill Gates or Soros.
Musk is being targeted for the fact that as an unelected official, he has been making questionable allegations as to the reasons for the dramatic and sweeping government cuts. Moreover, many of these cuts seem careless and indiscriminate. More than twenty DOGE employees have already resigned within the first two or three months, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”
[“We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.”]
There's also Musk's frequently public displays of unbridled arrogance, surpassing even Trump's at times. When, as the world's richest man, you're terminating the jobs of tens of thousands of people while joking about it and brandishing a chainsaw as an analogy, people are going to rightfully become offended. It's callous.
I am not a progressive. I've critiqued everything from Defund the Police to the handling of COVID. But when we have FOX News commentators reacting with indifference and even glee when people convicted of no crime are being hauled off to maximum security prisons in El Salvador, I'd suggest that we've overcorrected as a nation to the point of absurdity.
They committed the crime of skirting legal immigration and coming into this country illegally. We as a country have every right to protect our borders and deport those who disrespect our laws and who sneak across our border. On top of which they are covered in tattoos identifying them as members of dangerous criminal gangs. I trust ICE and border patrol, as well as law-enforcement in general, to protect our law abiding citizens – especially under President Trump and Tom Homan. It’s about time our country stopped allowing these bad actors to take advantage of us and destroy our way of life. We pay taxes to ensure that we have protections such as law-enforcement and fire fighting. Time to let them do their jobs!
@Eileen- my thoughts exactly. Sounds like they were hold overs from the previous administration who Musk thought could help. As usual, he found the swamp creatures were unwilling.
It appears that although the employees did become incorporated into DOGE's efforts, they were originally hired to the United States Digital Service.
If that is enough for you to dismiss their claims entirely, so be it, although I would suggest it seems unlikely that employees making an average income are going to abruptly resign from their jobs simply out of spite.
jamesaustintx is just the typical progressive believing their own BS due to their peers in the club existing in a closed environment of Austin Tx.
I know because after 4 years Navy 66-70 I returned to UT Austin to find it a shi hole of idiots believing they were rulers of the World. Liberal Arts vs. hard science , Bus, Engineering Students were out numbered by 10 to 1 .
Business,science,Engineering Students graduated went out into the World made and did things . Liberal Arts , na , went into gov. and Gov. edu. to indoctrinate and live off the taxpayers. Don't believe me ? Trace the SDS , Weathermen , Black panther's of the time period of the 60s and 70s . That's the major cause of where the USA is now. It is changing for better but oh so slow . The spoiled leftist living off others is coming to an end and a good end at that.
Those 21 were likely operatives and they were likely paid handsomely to put their name on this "bombshell" letter. They likely had other handsomely paying "jobs" awaiting them on the other side of this "noble resignation".
Yeah- I have no facts. But, I have my suspicions based on prior history...
Those people "convicted of no crime" are murderers, rapists, and thugs. The ones from Venezuela were targeted to the US from Madura. They have been convicted in various courts. These criminals were inserted into our country to destroy it
Of course no progressive will have a problem with Bill Gates or Soros, 2 of the most evil men on the planet intent on the destruction of democracy and the common man.
You may have missed this. I thought the same as you did until I saw this. Absolutely stunning and without Musk we would never have known about ANY of it and it would be continuing until the end of time.
I tried to look up the details of this on the DOGE website.
I can forgive its dated aesthetics, but you can't sort or search for anything. This is website design 101. As such, I guess we'll just have to take Musk's word for it.
I have no doubt that fraud and waste exist in the federal government and would be happy to see it eliminated, but I remain skeptical of Musk's words and his intentions.
I keep coming back to the fact that we encouraged the entire CIA workforce to resign by offering them buyout packages. *That* is indiscriminate and senseless. I don't see why this pattern wouldn't extend to DOGE's other efforts.
From the WSJ:
"The Central Intelligence Agency offered buyouts to its entire workforce Tuesday [Feb 4, 2025], in what officials said is a bid to bring the agency in line with President Trump’s priorities, including targeting drug cartels.
The CIA appeared to be the first intelligence agency to tell its employees that they can quit their jobs and receive about eight months of pay and benefits as part of Trump’s push to downsize the federal government. The offer last month made to most civilian federal agencies exempted some categories of federal workers, including those with national security roles."
First of all: the Wall Street Journal? Quite the bastion of reliable info there...
Second: "The Central Intelligence Agency offered buyouts to its entire workforce...". Who at the CIA made this offer to the entire workforce? Any possibility this is just a DTS power play to scare the populace- i.e. "See what Trump/Musk/DOGE are doing? They are about to dismantle the ENTIRE CIA! The horror! Be afraid!"
It’s an act of bullying if not terrorism and the people involved together with their financial sponsors should be arrested and put away for a very long time.
Terrorism - Noun- the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.
Fits the definition for me. Prosecute it as such.
Thanks for reminding people that terrorism has a pretty precise definition. I get annoyed when people use "terrorism" to mean, more or less, stuff I don't like.
Its actually quite simple. I really don't care if it is called terrorism, vandalism, property destruction... It is unlawful property destruction and those who do so need to be prosecuted and punished for the purpose of property rights and rule of law. Plus go after those who incite the property destruction whether it is verbally or financially.
If someone takes part in an organized campaign to vandalize synagogues or churches is it your position that the prosecution should focus only on the property destruction aspect?
My comment should apply to any situation where there is intentional property damage. Teslas, places of worship, baby stroller, dog house...
The facts of the current case are not analogous to the one you present of religious discrimination.
Why not? The Tesla burners aren’t doing it because they like fires. They’re doing it to attack participation in the political process and to send a message that you better not support that person by buying a Tesla or else your car might be damaged or destroyed, too.
Kinda like January 2020
🤣 yes, the ginned up “insurrection”! I guess they forgot to bring their guns, but rest assured, the FBI and police had their’s.
Charlottesville is the model. The power of the state was used to quash lawful dissent. It must now be used to crush unlawful insurrection
I think you have the wrong year...
Summer of Love ???
so it was January 2021...same ginned up misuse of the word "insurrection"
America has Judicial Terrorism going on.
O'Biden's Legacy.
So, Trumps's threats to Iran are terrorism, by that standard. As are Netanyahu's threats to Lebanese and Palestinians.
Will you call for arrest warrants?
Nothing unlawful about responding to terrorists who initiate violence. In USA it's the progressives that are initiating violence as it is Hamas and other Islamist factions. They know no peace but seek blood of innocents.
The stock skyrocketed up after inauguration and then went way down before the current vandalism campaign. And it hasn’t changed much since then, in my observation. Furthermore, the post-inauguration settle point is still a high water mark for Biden years.
It seems to me like your own view of this has been unduly influenced/hijacked by the Lefty commie terrorists.
I disagree with your analysis. The Left is fueled by Trump Derangement Syndrome, and all unhinged delusional masses go after the symbols they believe are representatives of the men they hate for standing up to their delusions. In this case heterosexual white men with power are standing up to the Rainbow delusions. More importantly, Musk is going after their money laundering system, and thus the key criminals and the elite recipients of that system must act to cover their crimes and keep the cash coming. Otherwise, many will go to jail. This is merely one battle in the ongoing civil war
Whatever the reasons the deranged ideologists and the entire education department need stopping ‘dead in their tracks’ with the full force of the law
Have you experienced higher education as a student? Or worked within the world of education?
@Josh- Musk isn't cancelling anyone's grants or anything of the like. He's pointing out flaws to Trump and his team who then take that information, investigate, and do what is necessary. Musk knows his place. And if you're going to shame someone regarding their higher education, the least you could do is spell correctly.
Musks involvement may be indirect but under this administration, billions of dollars of grants have been frozen. Including my cousins. I'm not sure what shame you're referring to? I'm just asking questions.
Grants should be frozen until they can figure out which ones are legit. It's YOUR tax dollars that are being wasted. You should care more.
You should care more about a billionaire shadow president who wasn't elected by us to audit our money. He obviously has nothing to gain from auditing the departments that are investigating him/are in his interests to dismantle. If you believe this guy cares, you're stupid.
So you found one honest person--your cousin...maybe. READ the grants and you will see that too many are useless, wasteful...gifts to supporters.
Sorry but it is our money paying for it unlawfully. The audit is to discover fraud, and abuse of law.
I don't think that you have to be directly connected with mass "education" to realize that the main players in "education" are not concerned with "education" primarily, but with POWER.
I think the main concern of mass "education" should be education, but at first blush, I notice that mass "education" doesn't seem so much concerned at education accountability and results, only MORE MONEY. In fact, mass education seems massively UNCONCERNED with should be their main goal, education, but all I have noticed is outrage and blame shifting as some of the $$$ going into the maw of mass "education" is questioned. Reducing money spent on trans animals and teaching pottery skills to Moroccan nationals seem to be just as upsetting (and worthy of keeping) as projects/systems (supposedly) directed 100% to education. And the thousands and millions of "no show" and other jobs averaging well over $100,000/yr seem to be so well run that (according to mass "education") no improvement or "fine tuning" to stop an inevitable collapse of the US economy is needed or desired- and with our economy as uneven as it presently is this attitude is not going well with the average citizen, who is usually APPALLED at the waste, fraud, and misuse of our tax money.
As the worst excesses of our government money managing is brought to light, I see this almost universal anger of the average citizen to INCREASE.
The attacks on Musk are a reflection of the Deep State concern and anger at the redirection of funds previously used for a vast slush fund for "democrat" causes (although vast amounts of money sent to the Taliban seem to not advance the interests of any American, rather the reverse) although the Deep State is desperately trying to change that narrative
ABSOLUTELY Richard! The people controlling "the grants" the money going to education-- are collecting huge salaries as heads of unions; getting overpaid for inconsequential, even useless work so they can then contribute politically. IF--education today was working well, why have test scores gone down?
Trans animals? They're making animals trans?
You had better believe they're trying, it's documented for funding anyway.
You mean transgenic mice?
Never thank heavens! Old enough to know communism and fascism, diktats and socialist ideologías do not work - took me a while to wake up to the systematic abuse of education though and therefore kids by these overbearing radicalising institutions and those selected to dumb down everything, starting with thought - about 50 years actually!
Yes--been in education since the 1960's. The dumbing down is most obvious and a huge danger to the future of our country.
Why are so many people so mean, cynical and triggered in this? There are thousands of people in the education world as a whole that do excellent work and we are all better for it. It's ongoing. Trump really has convinced his devotees that American is trash and he will make it great. It's already great. We just need to stop people like him for convincing people like in this forum to be so polarized and mad when people disagree with you
No dimwit, Trump has not “convinced” us that America is “trash.” He, and we who support him, believe America is “resting on one’s laurels.” You’re probably too young to have heard that phrase. Your communications are not well reasoned or suggestive of experience or leadership.
The DOE was not in existence until I graduated from college. It’s hard to wrap my head around the federal government making education viable in local districts (which my Dad did for 30 years). He knew the Principals, Teachers, and the Students, and chose the curriculum. It’s doable.
All the metrics on educational outcomes say otherwise. Literacy has declined sharply along with other knowledge learning. Calling people mean who say things you don’t like is not an argument. Analyze the causes, don’t just dismiss anecdotally.
I'm not sure I follow. How would you know anything you're claiming without having experienced it? My wife has been a teacher/professor for 13 years. She's outstanding and a very good person. I've also been into and out of universities my whole life. What you're asserting isn't as bad as tha MAGA crowd would have you believe. Trust me, I get it. Was I was at Mizzou, I was very annoyed with somw of the "woke" stuff. But at large, MIZZOU is a great institution along with it's students. This goes for most higher education. Radical progressive ideology is a problem. But so is the MAGA world, like Rufo, trying to privatize education under the banner of Christianity. That's a bigger problem IMO.
I get you defending your and your wife's jobs but in the real world (outside of what you call education), people and institutions are judged by results. The kids our school and university system are presently producing for the most part are the most ignorant in the history of the country. Completely unable to think. It's an absolute crime what you've done to these kids heads, a massive moral atrocity because you had to worship at the alter of progressivism or other related garbage such as post modern non thought.
John, in addition to your accurately stated ideological reasons of dumbing down of the younger generation, there is also an economic one. With the manufacturing moving out of the country, it took the technical expertise, inventiveness and engineering knowledge and genius with it. Many did not understand it at the time, but it has become obvious now with low rate of applications for engineering majors. Engineering disciplines require more stamina and hard work than business administration, and kids are too lazy and not interested because k-12 does not inspire a thirst for real comprehensive education in most of them. It is all interconnected.
Thank you John!
1. Leftist ideology disguised as 'education' is being crammed down children's throats and the DOE is responsible for shoving parents aside and demanding control of our children's minds.
2. The DOE is a bloated beaurocracy. Privatizing education is a great idea which brings options for education.
3. Your friend and cousin aren't entitled to receiving federal grants. Why do they need government assistance when the rest of us just worked hard on our own?
4. I am thankful for the DOGE team for VOLUNTEERING their time and expertise to clean up this mess, and that doesn't mean I have Trump Devotion Syndrome. I can think for myself - issue to issue - and come to my own conclusions.
5. It's unbelievable to me that anyone could possibly think Elon is acting in ONLY self interest. He is volunteering his time to save our country and save YOUR tax dollars while he watches whiny babies in the street torch and burn his company down. And you call that selfish??
6. Elon hasn't ruined anyone's life by cleaning out duplicate/unnecessary/fraudulent 'jobs'. These employees aren't entitled to a job. If they're that qualified to do something, they can find a job elsewhere. I don't want my tax dollars paying for them to 'work' from home. They can't even make a list of 5 things they accomplished in the last week. It's insane.
Great points.
Sure there's some good colleges...but only a few . ALL should be great...especially for the tuition that is charged. Josh--glad you know a couple of good examples. EXPAND your horizons and look at the big picture. It must be *fixed or there is no future.
I think you need to know how to spell first!
I miss spelled a work so I guess that means everything I every said ever is wrong. Strawmaning at it finest. Plus, I'm slightly dyslexic. Is that ok with you? Or did I trigger you too?
Nothing to trigger! You’re just on a losing wicket here.
You seem very unhappy with your life. I recommend not listening to the orange man and his billionaire sidekick doing illegal things under the guise of fixing everything. You obviously hate how democracy works if you are on board with these assholes fucking up the country thinking it's a business. Are you for Elon buying judges too? And saying that judges shouldn't rule on the president's executive orders?
Not good enough
Do you like Straw Men? Carloll?
You've obviously been captured by Trump Devotion Syndrom. You must be completely nieve and consumed with conformation bias to think that the richest man in the world, a non elected official, who is billions of dollars richer because of the federal government, is the one to save us from the "corrupt elites". You and everyone else know he's acting in self-interest. Ex. A person I know had a dream to start a business. He obtained a federal grant. Elon canceled is and ruined his life. Amoung many other thousands of people. Do you Elons grants have be frozen? His subsidies? His contracts? Absolutely not.
Anecdote about someone with a “dream”!to start a business on a federal grant? But the grant was cancelled and it’s all Elon’s fault said persons life is ruined? Businesses are usually built on a solid idea, hard work, risk taking and tenacity, not on “dreams” and federal money.
This abstract fictional character has no right to any taxpayer money. He can borrow money from private interests if his vision is communicative enough for a private investment firm to invest in him. Government doesn't even have enough money for legitimate functions- we have no business trying to fulfill dreams of individuals with taxpayers money. And the last 4 years show the idiocy of unchecked printing of money to fulfill various dreams untethered t reality.
I'm concerned with MY DREAMS of keeping a roof over my head and having enough to eat- I am UNCONCERNED with (for instance) private citizens with taxpayer money like Stacy Abrams, seeking to "upgrade" their "democrat" interests because (among many other reasons) this money (paid for by all) is only going toward Stacy's clientele.
Like FEMA money only going to "democrat" sufferers in North Carolina after the hurricane
Care to ask any questions about the specifics? I can explain if you'd like. Or are you happy with your assertions and presumptions?
I do believe that you and thousands of others IE Gov. workers are 50 50 good hard working people vs do nothing grifter off the US taxpayer's dollars. The waste and fraud being exposed by DOGE has created a group of , now fired, workers being nothing but mad that the Gov. sugar teat has been removed. Blaming DOGE etc for exposing them has made them very vindictive. The likes of Soros are not going to let go of the gov. teat without a fight.
I am with DOGE and Musk on the need to get to the one's funding the vandalism. Charge them with RICO or what ever The DOJ finds that is a crime. Paying for vandalism is a crime. A rabid pack of dogs needs to be done away with along with their paying instigators.
Everyone is against fraud and waste. I have no doubt there is fraud and waste. But is a non elected, billionaire with major conflicts of interest and everything to gain the right person for the job. I don't think so. Not to mention his "team" making a lot of mistakes that cost people their jobs and livelihood. Imagine if Obama appointed Soros to the same sort of position? I Imagine the DOGE crowd singing a different tune entirely. Also, where is the evidence that someone/people are funding vandalism against Tesla? These crimes are a major problem, but Elon is an impossible lier who doesn't take accountability for is words or actions. He's playing the billionaire victim card. It's laughable bc there's no way what he says and does can lead to people making choices to sell or not buy his products
An education professional who can't spell LIAR, and doesn't bother to use a spell checker? I rest my case. Your dem talking points need some adjustments. There are tens of thousands on non-elected individuals running a corrupt bureaucracy.
Obama hired the Emmanuels as advisors to Health care. Now health care sucks.
We need a dislike button for you, Josh.
Obama & his master are both Communists. You don’t know that?
Too much imagining. Would you care to specify how much he's gaining from an unpaid job? How much are his volunteers gaining? Yes, this monstrosity of the system is so cluttered, a handful of volunteers have to search by keywords and make mistakes. Should he hire a departmentful and give everybody and himself a nice salary? Then it will take forever to do the actual job.
So, now anonymous commenters on Substack have to become interested and give the money or something?
If it's a good idea, get investors to fund it, get a loan from a bank against your assets. If it's a nonprofit, collect donations. Bootstrap it working hard with no pay for months. Business owners and investors are the ones taking the risk, not taxpayers. This insane level of entitlement suggests that the government money spigot has to be turned off.
Sorry Josh. You couldn't be more wrong. And your hilarious take on TDS is laughable. Of course your education background/philosophy is partially at fault for the education travesty we now experience. I have an education background and gave up on the education establishment many years ago. I wonder what kind of business your 'friend' was attempting to start, while they had to go to the feds for money? Will you share that with us?
Are you really wondering about the specifics of my friend? Lol
Why won't you reveal the specifics? You are a typical troll. Being a good democrat is not necessarily being a good individual. But you're trying to be sincere, right? Goodbye.
You're the one who came at me all triggered because what? You made a bunch of presumptions about what I mean? If you care about having sincere argument, ask me what I mean. Otherwise, why respond? I'll tell you why...you're more interested in confirming you're own trigger happy emotions, making accusations like you know who I am and what my political affiliations are and insulting people who you disagree with. Hav a drinkk adn realx nda heva a godo night :)
Always the same…. I know 1 person Blabla… and what about the millions who received money for doing literally nothing? Not even showing up for work? This is not how life works… bringing up an example of 1 friend. Grow up!
It’s one thing to be off-track and another to not realize that there are "tracks". Wake up and welcome to the 21st Century! P.S. Keep an eye on your spell-checker too.
I'll make sure I do. It seems like you took the time and energy out of your day to understand what I was saying regardless of a typo. But decided to be an ass anyway. Let me guess...you voted for Trump?
It’s ironic your name is something you’re incapable of engaging in. Do you really think stamping your feet, pointing and saying, " … you voted for Trump" is proper behavior for a red-blooded human man? Grow up.
Ha-ha, so in one paragraph someone feels entitled to start a business on taxpayer dime, but Elon, who's working for free to cut the waste, is the one who's taking advantage of the system. Next time try to start a business like all of us, peasants, do, with a private loan.
Again, someone with zero interest in knowing specifics of my example by asking questions, still sticking up for the richest man in the world working for free? He makes billions off the govt.
Are you entitled to questions and what has it to do with Elon? Who's a successful self-made billionaire who built profitable businesses, not some loser whining on the internet. Oh, and "making money" is exchange for unique services isn't wasting money. But capitalism is so bad!
I've seen many Silicon Valley founders who arrogantly felt that their idea was the next big thing (not really), asking for free labor from engineers (the answer is No, pay out of pocket or learn to write code yourself). I still haven't see anyone whining about ruined life because they didn't get government freebies. And envious of Elon Musk.
Josh, such envying is bad for one’s health. Elon will always be wealthy; do the best you can and feel good about yourself; you’ll get through this.
Do you like being a troll? I know your types. It's sad and easy. You're the epitome of self loathing
Nirvana!
Not surprising that people are willing to resort to violence and gin up useful idiots to help them--to protect their personal gravy train.
Several motives are operating in this noxious atmosphere: an "element of left-wing Luddism", TDS, and primarily resentment, as Rufo said. Resentment is the root cause of TDS.
Many will go to jail, and worse. Being deranged and delusional have never been an excuse for criminal acts, although incarceration in a mental institution would likely be their lot. Where are the arresting authorities?
Can't wait until they present evidence of all the corruption.
Me either. For now I guess we have to take the word of Elon who obviously has the best interest of everyone in mind. Obviously
"Follow the money" principle tells me that competitors of Tesla might be also involved. It's an opportunity to bring Tesla down.
Exactly. Marxism is the driving ideology, not TDS. Trump-Musk is merely the roadblock to the Marxist plan as orchestrated by the Soro’s, Obama’s and others. Marxist strategy includes propaganda, intimidation, violence, class and culture warfare, election interference and so forth—all present in the current environment. Until Marxist tactics and strategies are understood to include antidotes by American voters this will not stop.
Agreed these are all tactics. The left uses whatever is necessary to respond to real time events. the operational tactic is to: instill "ruthless criticism on all things"—Marx; create maximum chaos; and to do whatever is required in order to continue the revolution. For right now, their revolution is being derailed in multiple countries and fundamentally threatened. The problem is Trump and Elon and others are not really doing what is required to explain to the public what and why of these attacks are occuring. They need to expose the threads on this to the real perpetrators behind the revolution. Perhaps they really dont understand the depth of the war that they have entered into.
I’m not sure Trump and Elon need to be the ones who inform Americans of the Marxist agenda but rather conservatives in the information Marketplace be it academia, television, print, internet. I learned the importance of the 2A when I worked next to a former lawyer of Castro who defected when he realized Castro was a Communist and had told freedom fighters “bring your guns to the armory now, we don’t need them.” As “soon as they locked the armory, people who complained would disappear from their homes. Don’t ever let them take your 2nd Amendment away or America will lose its freedom.” Movies, books , anecdotes widely shared from real people can make a difference.
Arrest them as terrorists and put them away for 20 years.
Take it a step further; DOJ should set up a division to monitor the activities of all the “prosecutors” and evaluate each for effectiveness and fairness - and then go after the most grievous offenders. Then citizens could get their voice back. Maybe we bring back public funding for prosecutors, and limit donations to $10 per voter (when they’re their jurisdiction). Cut out the carpetbagger funds.
We were told by Biden and the Bidenistas that the greatest threat to our nation's security was not external, but internal. The threat was supposedly posed by White Christian Nationalists that they dubbed as white supremacists. This was the opposite of the truth, per the usual, they in Marxist fashion, inverted the truth. Today, as in the 1970s, we see, once again, that the greatest internal threat to national peace and equanimity is the left's knee-jerk use of violence and intimidation to advance their program, when hey cannot do so through the usual organs of representative democracy. The current use of violence will escalate and the leadership of the democrat party will both incite it and support it. As the left becomes frustrated with their lack of progress, they will resort to move violent extremism. And, as in the early 1970s, it will take political courage and the full force of the law to prevent what are now acts of vandalism that will likely escalate to riots, bombings and worse, if the past is prologue to the present, as it usually is. The tide has gone out on the left, but the tide always comes back in. It is essential to prepare for that eventual incoming tide and to get as much done as possible, now, that cannot be reversed easily later, under the present administration. Conservatives must continue to educate and work to claim the hearts and minds of younger Americans. None of this is easy because they have captured the mainstream media and the educational establishment, but the battle is far from being over, and may never be over. To preserve liberty, freedom, free markets and capitalism, and the American way into the future, will be an ongoing endeavor, with ups and downs, advances and retreats, but it is well worth the effort, or as the left would put it, the fight.
"We were told by Biden and the Bidenistas that the greatest threat to our nation's security was not external, but internal. "
Who's the threat today, according to this administration? Not Russia. We've ceased all cyber operations involving the Kremlin (though I'm reasonably certain they've not returned the favor). North Korea? China? Iran?
This administration seems so confident that we are beloved the world over that they offered buyout packages to the entire CIA workforce with the hopes there would be mass resignations. Not 10%. Not 20%. 100%.
While I'm not suggesting domestic vandalism isn't a crime (regardless of the politics behind it), is it really the #1 problem we face when it comes to national security?
Please reread my statement. You misread me:
"Today, as in the 1970s, we see, once again, that the greatest internal threat to national peace and equanimity is the left's knee-jerk use of violence and intimidation"
@Earth- I understood it.
Perhaps if the CIA had not been allowed (ordered?) to conduct spying on Americans within the United States (which is outside the domain of their legal activities), they might have been spared the scalpel. Also, knowing from personal experience the intensity of loyalty to "the Company" that beats within the breast of most CIA employees, my suspicion is that only a small number of them would have voluntarily accepted the offer of pre-retirement resignation (early out). So, as long as a scalpel (not a chainsaw) is used for cost cutting therein, the Agency will retain its full capabilities.
Violence in the streets, on a large scale (which determined "demcrats" are saying WILL INCREASE) IS NATIONAL SECURITY
Trump and Musk are in what is an anti-revolution and is a real hot war that will likely get worse and not better--high ground must be taken and people need to indicted and put into jail. God willing, this trajectory will not result in a real civil war.
Yet arguably, the left won after the 1970s.
Reagan was elected for eight years in the wake of the violent 1970s.
Address the problem at its source. Who is coordinating and funding this campaign of political violence? A walkaway with whom I am acquainted has received daily texts to invite him to participate in the Tesla takedown. He was so disgusted with it that it was his decision point to leave the Democratic Party for good. The coordination is obvious. Find out who. Freeze their funding stream. Prosecute its command and control.
@Pole- supposedly, according to Musk, they already know who the players are and are taking steps to get them. Let's hope.
Let's not forget the stochasticity of those other fifth columnists - the legacy media - who are fueling this 'resistance'.
@Andrew- HOLY CATS! I haven't heard that word in years! Well done!
Who is organizing the protests? Who is funding the organizers? Who collects the funds and moves them? Who is directing every level?
Answer all these questions with names and handcuffs.
Yes it is definitely fueled by resentment of the wealthy, but primarily it is quite directly the attempt to get their political way when they couldn’t do it by winning the election. They are attempting to intimidate Musk from helping carry out Trumps agenda AND intimidating others by letting them know that they could be next if they support the president.
That is textbook terrorism that undermines democracy in this country and they should accordingly receive very harsh sentences.
If it really was "fueled by resentment of the wealthy," then that resentment is misguided. The party of the wealthy is no longer the GOP, but rather has become the Democrats. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2300124/democrats-are-the-party-of-the-wealthy-irs-data-shows/
Yes, exactly. You have to appreciate the irony of the party that resents the wealthy becoming the party of the wealthy.
The logical inconsistencies on the Left keep growing.
- Claiming to stand for Democracy while undermining Democracy
- Claiming to fight against fascism while supporting fascist government policies
- Claiming to stand for poor people while supporting policies that hurt poor people
- Claiming to stand against racism while supporting racist DEI policies
- Claiming to stand for women while supporting trans policies that hurt women
- Supporting defund the police while seeing that it is hurting the same poor minorities they claim to stand for
etc. etc. It doesn't feel sustainable for them, but they don't show any signs of giving up.
DOJ, FBI, HS, and local Sheriffs, please do your jobs and we will be grateful that you are protecting the nation against its domestic enemies.
"...the Left appears to be shifting from an “antiracist” narrative to an anti-wealth one—from a racial frame to an economic one."
Cloward Piven comes to mind. Tactics of communists are always in flux. They do what is required to continue the revolution. And if they cannot get their way, they will attempt to burn the system down. Prayer to the God in heaven right now towards that end is critical.
Noticed the BLM protestors are now Hamas supporters.
One year ago the hard left were rabid environmentalists and Musk was their hero. Nearly a total flip has occurred and the green new deal has desolved shown for what it was—illegal grift and hoax science done in order to redistribute wealth. This again shows that the left are not internally inconsistent showing their total incapacity to govern effectively. This is what all nations submerged under communism find out the hard way—a total loss of freedoms and pounding on the door in the middle of the night.
What the Tesla/Musk haters want is to get in the news or any other kind of notoriety. The less we click on the story, the less it will get priority.
I appreciate your analysis of what the radicals are doing because it explains how hard they work at losing. But you know the old saying, never interrupt your enemy when he is the process of destroying himself.
That's silly. They are doing it anonymously. People need to know what is happening and the twitter posts I see are often aimed at identifying the dopes who can't tell vandalism from terrorism and I hope will be getting a pretty consequential wake up call.
It’s not silly. These haters want to brag to their friends about what they did, and when we click on the vandalism story, they get their kicks.
Plus I would not be surprised if they are paid.
Just who is going to get the wake up call?
The Left is anti-wealth except when it comes to themselves, then as DOGE has shown they will steal whatever they can hoping we won't notice. Well, we have proof now thanks to Musk. That's why they hate him. The gig is up! Trump Derangement Syndrome also is fueling their fury.
I think there is a missing puzzle piece in this “Tesla Takedown” story. This is coordinated and funded by other billionaires who feel an existential threat in Musk. They are not going to let up until they take Musk and Trump down. Soros and their billionaire ilk are dedicated leftists who want to see this country collapse and a new regime rise. Go after them and they will take their foot off the gas of the protesters. Expose them. Shame them. Investigate them. Watch what happens. FAFO all the way.
Radical activists come in a couple of well-known categories. You get the Trust Fund kids with no real need to work but a pressing need to look important in some way. Or the moneyed women out for a virtue-signaling lark like many of the earlier suffragettes.
Another group -- Tends to be a rite-of-passage for some university students to claim they were in this or that protest. They score points.
Then you have the retirees. And the middle-class kids who are lost and cannot blend into the workforce, so they join a group that will take them.
At the bottom are the homeless who get paid $50 and a warm meal to pretend they are protesters.
These are all influence-able people. Waving money at them will do it in some cases. Waving social prestige will do it in other cases.
I agree that other billionaires are likely funding this, but I am not convinced that exposing or shaming them will do the trick. They will simply deny it all, for one. Or wait for the uproar to die down.
I see your point, but must pray that the exposure comes just the same.
Musk is not Tesla. He didn't start Tesla (that was Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning). He didn't invent the electric car. Even as primary shareholder, his stocks amount to little more than 13% of the company. How much he's actually involved in the day-to-day operations of the company seems to be an unknown. As such, targeting Tesla and its other employees is misguided, and vandalism is always a crime that should be met with penalties including fines and/or jail time.
That being said, Musk is not being targeted because he's rich. No progressive has a problem with Bill Gates or Soros.
Musk is being targeted for the fact that as an unelected official, he has been making questionable allegations as to the reasons for the dramatic and sweeping government cuts. Moreover, many of these cuts seem careless and indiscriminate. More than twenty DOGE employees have already resigned within the first two or three months, saying they were refusing to use their technical expertise to “dismantle critical public services.”
[“We swore to serve the American people and uphold our oath to the Constitution across presidential administrations,” the 21 staffers wrote in a joint resignation letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press. “However, it has become clear that we can no longer honor those commitments.”]
There's also Musk's frequently public displays of unbridled arrogance, surpassing even Trump's at times. When, as the world's richest man, you're terminating the jobs of tens of thousands of people while joking about it and brandishing a chainsaw as an analogy, people are going to rightfully become offended. It's callous.
I am not a progressive. I've critiqued everything from Defund the Police to the handling of COVID. But when we have FOX News commentators reacting with indifference and even glee when people convicted of no crime are being hauled off to maximum security prisons in El Salvador, I'd suggest that we've overcorrected as a nation to the point of absurdity.
They committed the crime of skirting legal immigration and coming into this country illegally. We as a country have every right to protect our borders and deport those who disrespect our laws and who sneak across our border. On top of which they are covered in tattoos identifying them as members of dangerous criminal gangs. I trust ICE and border patrol, as well as law-enforcement in general, to protect our law abiding citizens – especially under President Trump and Tom Homan. It’s about time our country stopped allowing these bad actors to take advantage of us and destroy our way of life. We pay taxes to ensure that we have protections such as law-enforcement and fire fighting. Time to let them do their jobs!
Sorry … 21 staffers who swore an oath to serve across administrations…. Doesn’t sound like a 180 day project focused DOGE
@Eileen- my thoughts exactly. Sounds like they were hold overs from the previous administration who Musk thought could help. As usual, he found the swamp creatures were unwilling.
It appears that although the employees did become incorporated into DOGE's efforts, they were originally hired to the United States Digital Service.
If that is enough for you to dismiss their claims entirely, so be it, although I would suggest it seems unlikely that employees making an average income are going to abruptly resign from their jobs simply out of spite.
@James- People have left their jobs for less. They think they're making a statement by doing so. FAFO.
jamesaustintx is just the typical progressive believing their own BS due to their peers in the club existing in a closed environment of Austin Tx.
I know because after 4 years Navy 66-70 I returned to UT Austin to find it a shi hole of idiots believing they were rulers of the World. Liberal Arts vs. hard science , Bus, Engineering Students were out numbered by 10 to 1 .
Business,science,Engineering Students graduated went out into the World made and did things . Liberal Arts , na , went into gov. and Gov. edu. to indoctrinate and live off the taxpayers. Don't believe me ? Trace the SDS , Weathermen , Black panther's of the time period of the 60s and 70s . That's the major cause of where the USA is now. It is changing for better but oh so slow . The spoiled leftist living off others is coming to an end and a good end at that.
I didn't grow up in Austin Texas. I didn't attend UT.
I'm not progressive, and I didn't vote for Biden in 2020.
Those 21 were likely operatives and they were likely paid handsomely to put their name on this "bombshell" letter. They likely had other handsomely paying "jobs" awaiting them on the other side of this "noble resignation".
Yeah- I have no facts. But, I have my suspicions based on prior history...
Those people "convicted of no crime" are murderers, rapists, and thugs. The ones from Venezuela were targeted to the US from Madura. They have been convicted in various courts. These criminals were inserted into our country to destroy it
Of course no progressive will have a problem with Bill Gates or Soros, 2 of the most evil men on the planet intent on the destruction of democracy and the common man.
You may have missed this. I thought the same as you did until I saw this. Absolutely stunning and without Musk we would never have known about ANY of it and it would be continuing until the end of time.
https://youtu.be/uX7xFkYt77k?si=iGqpNo1LkwuiCjEK
I tried to look up the details of this on the DOGE website.
I can forgive its dated aesthetics, but you can't sort or search for anything. This is website design 101. As such, I guess we'll just have to take Musk's word for it.
I have no doubt that fraud and waste exist in the federal government and would be happy to see it eliminated, but I remain skeptical of Musk's words and his intentions.
I keep coming back to the fact that we encouraged the entire CIA workforce to resign by offering them buyout packages. *That* is indiscriminate and senseless. I don't see why this pattern wouldn't extend to DOGE's other efforts.
From the WSJ:
"The Central Intelligence Agency offered buyouts to its entire workforce Tuesday [Feb 4, 2025], in what officials said is a bid to bring the agency in line with President Trump’s priorities, including targeting drug cartels.
The CIA appeared to be the first intelligence agency to tell its employees that they can quit their jobs and receive about eight months of pay and benefits as part of Trump’s push to downsize the federal government. The offer last month made to most civilian federal agencies exempted some categories of federal workers, including those with national security roles."
Wow. After the last 70yrs or so, you’re defending the CIA?
If Musk can’t do it…. No one will
First of all: the Wall Street Journal? Quite the bastion of reliable info there...
Second: "The Central Intelligence Agency offered buyouts to its entire workforce...". Who at the CIA made this offer to the entire workforce? Any possibility this is just a DTS power play to scare the populace- i.e. "See what Trump/Musk/DOGE are doing? They are about to dismantle the ENTIRE CIA! The horror! Be afraid!"
So now you don't like the website because "This is website design 101"? How creative of you.
LOL, jamesAUSTINTX , that in itself is all that needs to be read to know what the rant will be. That it will be a leftist pail of bile!
WTF? Now people from Austin can’t express an opinion??? You 🧌 sound as deranged as the TDS folks you’re attacking. SMH
If it's still against the law to vandalize the property of political opponents, then the United States is not a Third World country yet.
Thank you, President Trump!
It’s an act of bullying if not terrorism and the people involved together with their financial sponsors should be arrested and put away for a very long time.
Musk’s trollish behavior is part of this. Maybe not the most important part, but part. This analysis is incomplete without it.
Meh
@Jones- ah, but the trolling has the other side quaking in its boots. That's the fun of it.