"Anyway those wars are over" What does that mean, exactly?
The people who died don't matter? There's no lesson to learn? Both places are worse than when we invaded, but we don't want to deal with that fact?
Sharon wanted Iran attacked but was mollified when US told him Iran was on the neocon list and would be attacked in turn. Israel is still trying to get us to attack Iran (Israel's wars, as I said). They've been telling us that Iran is ten minutes from a nuke for the last ten years (a worse record than the global warming crowd).
What were the origins of 9/11? According to the guy behind it, he was pissed bc the US helped Israel occupy Lebanon, had bases in Saudi (why were those there?), the plight of the Palestinians, among other things. You really think there's zero connection to Israel? Are you buying the BS that the label Great Satan is because we're free?
Today we have American politicians signing their names to American bombs destined to be dropped on civilians (sorry, shields). Can you imagine that that might implicate America in the minds of people receiving the bombs from Israel?
This was the wisdom behind "no entangling alliances". We should heed it again. The Zionists want to conflate Semitism and Zionism to squash such talk as Anti-semitic. That's disingenuous and bad for everyday Jews.
Do you think the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip was a mistake, in light of what’s happened in Gaza since then? Do you think Israel should stay in the West Bank so that it does not become another Gaza?
I don't pretend to know these answers. And I'm pretty sure from watching the results that 'experts' like John Bolton, Cheney, et al don't know either.
What I do know is that the corruption, self-dealing, and waste that DOGE is uncovering domestically exists in multiples in off shore operations. These wars are not in America's interest. And any country that tries to suck America into their wars is not our friend. When pointing those simple facts out result in cries of racism, you know that the other side has no argument to make.
Sure I’m not a big fan of neocons and foreign wars but why do you blame Israel for that? Israel didn’t tell us to go into Iraq! Do you also think Poland is not our friend because they want us to take a more aggressive stance toward Russia? I’m sure Japan wants us to be aggressive towards China. Are they not our friend?
No, these aren't "friends", they are state actors pursuing their own interests. They want a sugar daddy relationship which isn't healthy for either party. We should trade with them, extradite criminals, etc., but not become entangled. Why would we take an aggressive stance toward Russia to please the Poles?
Why should we engender the hated of half the world to please Israel? They will say that their enemies are our enemies but it's not true. The US had great relations in ME until after WWII (wonder what changed that?).
My people came from Sweden and I love my relatives there, but I wouldn't spill a drop of American blood protecting them from the Russians.
The neocons and Israel are of course working together. Just as the Polish gov't would work with American Poles who wanted the US to attack Russia.
And this whole thing of attacking Owens as an anti-semite smacks of wokism tactics. ADL proclaimed her anti-semite of the year or some such. Looks like an attempt to either cower or isolate her. It's a bad look.
Why does being friendly with Israel piss off half the world? The UAE joined the Abraham Accords and Saudi will soon follow.
Israel is an important ally and partner for us. It is a huge tech hub. Very useful. Nvidia has an eighth of its workforce there. Every big US company has R+D there. It’s a leader in cybersecurity and missile defense and so on. It told us about an ISIS bomb plot and gives us lots of intelligence. It also helps with nuclear nonproliferation etc. The I2U2 is doing all sorts of stuff. It produces a bunch of chips though less than Taiwan.
We should continue to work with Israel and sell them weapons and expand the Abraham Accords. We shouldn’t get US troops directly involved in any shooting war obviously.
The ME was run by European colonialists before the war. America and Israel didn’t become so close until 1967. Nasser sided with the Soviets and antagonized America before that.
I don’t get this discussion of spilling American blood. We are talking about selling them weapons. I don’t want to spill American blood on behalf of Israel. Who is talking about such a thing? Israel fights its own wars.
I think AQ was more focused on our support for autocratic Arab regimes like the Gulf Monarchy than on Israel.
I don’t see how Iraq and Afghanistan were Israel’s wars. I’m more than happy to sell weapons to Israel if they are willing to pay. Why not? They’re a friendly country. Sure the aid should be phased out.
Great Satan is a label from Iran. It’s because the US supported the Shah I guess. Not because of Israel.
"Anyway those wars are over" What does that mean, exactly?
The people who died don't matter? There's no lesson to learn? Both places are worse than when we invaded, but we don't want to deal with that fact?
Sharon wanted Iran attacked but was mollified when US told him Iran was on the neocon list and would be attacked in turn. Israel is still trying to get us to attack Iran (Israel's wars, as I said). They've been telling us that Iran is ten minutes from a nuke for the last ten years (a worse record than the global warming crowd).
What were the origins of 9/11? According to the guy behind it, he was pissed bc the US helped Israel occupy Lebanon, had bases in Saudi (why were those there?), the plight of the Palestinians, among other things. You really think there's zero connection to Israel? Are you buying the BS that the label Great Satan is because we're free?
Today we have American politicians signing their names to American bombs destined to be dropped on civilians (sorry, shields). Can you imagine that that might implicate America in the minds of people receiving the bombs from Israel?
This was the wisdom behind "no entangling alliances". We should heed it again. The Zionists want to conflate Semitism and Zionism to squash such talk as Anti-semitic. That's disingenuous and bad for everyday Jews.
Do you think the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip was a mistake, in light of what’s happened in Gaza since then? Do you think Israel should stay in the West Bank so that it does not become another Gaza?
I don't pretend to know these answers. And I'm pretty sure from watching the results that 'experts' like John Bolton, Cheney, et al don't know either.
What I do know is that the corruption, self-dealing, and waste that DOGE is uncovering domestically exists in multiples in off shore operations. These wars are not in America's interest. And any country that tries to suck America into their wars is not our friend. When pointing those simple facts out result in cries of racism, you know that the other side has no argument to make.
Sure I’m not a big fan of neocons and foreign wars but why do you blame Israel for that? Israel didn’t tell us to go into Iraq! Do you also think Poland is not our friend because they want us to take a more aggressive stance toward Russia? I’m sure Japan wants us to be aggressive towards China. Are they not our friend?
No, these aren't "friends", they are state actors pursuing their own interests. They want a sugar daddy relationship which isn't healthy for either party. We should trade with them, extradite criminals, etc., but not become entangled. Why would we take an aggressive stance toward Russia to please the Poles?
Why should we engender the hated of half the world to please Israel? They will say that their enemies are our enemies but it's not true. The US had great relations in ME until after WWII (wonder what changed that?).
My people came from Sweden and I love my relatives there, but I wouldn't spill a drop of American blood protecting them from the Russians.
The neocons and Israel are of course working together. Just as the Polish gov't would work with American Poles who wanted the US to attack Russia.
And this whole thing of attacking Owens as an anti-semite smacks of wokism tactics. ADL proclaimed her anti-semite of the year or some such. Looks like an attempt to either cower or isolate her. It's a bad look.
Why does being friendly with Israel piss off half the world? The UAE joined the Abraham Accords and Saudi will soon follow.
Israel is an important ally and partner for us. It is a huge tech hub. Very useful. Nvidia has an eighth of its workforce there. Every big US company has R+D there. It’s a leader in cybersecurity and missile defense and so on. It told us about an ISIS bomb plot and gives us lots of intelligence. It also helps with nuclear nonproliferation etc. The I2U2 is doing all sorts of stuff. It produces a bunch of chips though less than Taiwan.
We should continue to work with Israel and sell them weapons and expand the Abraham Accords. We shouldn’t get US troops directly involved in any shooting war obviously.
The ME was run by European colonialists before the war. America and Israel didn’t become so close until 1967. Nasser sided with the Soviets and antagonized America before that.
I don’t get this discussion of spilling American blood. We are talking about selling them weapons. I don’t want to spill American blood on behalf of Israel. Who is talking about such a thing? Israel fights its own wars.
I think AQ was more focused on our support for autocratic Arab regimes like the Gulf Monarchy than on Israel.
I don’t see how Iraq and Afghanistan were Israel’s wars. I’m more than happy to sell weapons to Israel if they are willing to pay. Why not? They’re a friendly country. Sure the aid should be phased out.
Great Satan is a label from Iran. It’s because the US supported the Shah I guess. Not because of Israel.