Trump broke that and the constant lies from the right keep it going. Until they release the lies and realize we are all Americans the divide will stand.
Trump? How old are you, like 25? Does your knowledge of history go back to only 2015 or so? Lady, you need to badly study history. America and it's politics existed a LONG time before you were born. For example, go read about Obama's Presidency, and the constant political divide then. Next, read about Bush's 2000-2008 presidency, and the same situations. Go read about Clinton's 1992-2000 presidency, and the constant fights then. Heck, Clinton was even impeached. Just keep going back. You need some perspective.
No President has resisted the peaceful transfer of power or claimed an election to be fraudulent. The GOP gave birth to Trump with the election of Ronald Reagan. Reagan devalued people, said government was the problem (governance and government are not the same), and started to open the treasury to legalized theft. Trump is just the apotheosis of a 40+ year trend.
Rick. I have audio of both Hillary and J Carter claiming the 2016 election was stolen. What you are saying is provably untrue. Not putting you down at all. Just letting you know the info you are using is incomplete. It happens
Hillary blamed Russia and made other excuses. She lost based on her own merits. Those comments are nothing in comparison to continuously pushing the idea of a stolen election and tacitly promoting the events of January 6th.
Reagan's first speech as the GOP candidate was in Philadelphia, Mississippi. That was a town where 3 civil rights workers were murdered in the 1960s. This sent the message to the South that it was okay to long for the Jim Crow South.
He began the nasty meme with a prime example of "Welfare Queens". Not as objectionable as making fun of someone with cerebral palsy but unnecessary (unless of course you want to further the "Southern Strategy"). That along with firing all the air traffic control workers began the period of devaluing people by a President. It was okay to bust unions and devalue their labor.
He was president at the beginning of the trend towards a widening separation between wages and productivity. Wages actually went down during his Presidency relative to productivity.
He began a period of deregulation which during his term was limited apart from the Savings and Loan crisis which cost the US taxpayer billions (estimated at $124 billion which into today's dollars would be about $250 billion today
He appointed Donald Regan as Secretary of the Treasury. Regan had been the CEO of Merrill Lynch. What follows was a stream of investment bankers as head of Treasury. Deregulation and policy changes led to an unaccountable Wall Street where malfeasance was rewarded.
Iran/Contra
He removed the solar panels from the White House. This was consistent with a policy of disinvestment in the future of the United States. It took decades for infrastructure to deteriorate but it did. The country started to move from making things to wealth acquisition based on so called financial instruments.
He tripled the national debt.
He is credited with ending the Cold War. He was lucky because he was President during the culmination of 30+ years of bipartisan policy concerning the containment of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union could not compete with the US and 45 years after WW2 it dissolved. The US would have won that struggle with or without Reagan.
Reagan was transformational but not in a good way he was at the beginning of a trend that has led us to where we are today. If you consider him in the same league as Lincoln, Washington or FDR you clearly have a passion for middling movie stars.
OK, now you're evolving from the laughable into pure steaming BS.
Reagan is not only easily one of the 5 Greatest Presidents in history, many, including myself, consider him the SINGLE greatest president. He was a seminal, groundbreaking, one-in-a-lifetime President.
The fact that you know so little about history, and how truly monumental Reagan was, shows you're just too ignorant to have access to a keyboard.
Actually I was alive for all of those. I live in the Midwest. Obama was the greatest president of my lifetime. Until Trump and his nazi like techniques I never saw anyone care about who someone voted for.
Obama had really only one exceptional quality; his oratory skills. Problem is, the man was a habitual liar. Lied about everything. Domestic policy, lies, Foreign policy, more lies. Healthcare, tons of lies. But, this silver-tongued devil had most of us fooled. Dems liked him because he was a great speaker, smooth, handsome, and black. And simply because of those mostly superficial things, they loved him and ate up all he said.
Not all conservatives believe it was stolen. I'm very conservative. Initially, I thought there was a chance it had been stolen. But, the more I read, the less I believed that. Now, I think that Trump and his "election was stolen" fans need to MOVE ON from that, whether or not they believe it. Talking about that will NOT help Trump win in 2024. Me, I get a little sick each time I hear Trump mention this. It's like someone who has a grudge that they can't forgive. It doesn't matter if he THINKS he's right. It's just that it's OVER, it can't be relitigated, and he needs to shut up about that and move forward.
Thank you for that answer. My husband is a Republican but he voted for Biden to get Trump out. If Trump wins the primary, he will hold his nose and vote Blue again.
Well, I'm not quite as "far gone" as your hubby. Short of all-out nuclear war or Ebola Virus going airborne in America, I can't think of many worse things than Biden winning a 2nd term. After all, the man is probably at around stage 2 or3 of Alzheimer's now, and (if he wins) by the time he finishes in 2029 the guy would be pushing 90 and at stage 5. For God's sake, the guy doesn't even know what town he's in half the time, and he has no idea what to say without a typed script; and even then he misreads it. He's a walking, breathing, fossil.
But, since I live in CA, I have the luxury of voting any way I want, because it literally makes no difference. The state now votes around 70% Dem in every election. My wife is a moderate Dem, I'm a conservative Rep. And because I can vote any which way I want, I assure her that I vote for more Independent candidates in the General election. (she dislikes Trump and I'm not crazy about him). The electoral college and it's winner-takes-all assures me that CA's EC votes will always go to the Dems. I know it's a waste of a vote to vote for the GOP, and I can't bring myself to vote for a walking adult-diaper commercial like Biden. So, as I tell her, I always vote for the candidate from the Libertarian Party. At least that way I voted for someone.
But if DeSantis is the nominee, that's a whole other story. Even then, DS can't win blue states either. He's just a far more likeable person than DT.
Here's the thing Maria; ask yourself this, if YOU were planning to steal an election, would you try to claim 81 Million votes? Far more than you actually needed to win? Consider that the objective in committing fraud in an election is (1) winning and (2) Not arousing suspicions that it was stolen.
I think what's more likely, is the Dems were simply more effective at building up the vote-by-mail process. They clearly took HUGE advantage of the 2020 Covid crisis, got Fauci and his departments to declare that all polling places were massive disease spreading events, and got as many Federal and State officials as possible to think it was 100% necessary to mail a mail-in ballot to every person in America.
The whole thing was sickening. The entire system was the IDEAL opportunity to commit a large number of slimy and underhanded deeds. And I'm convinced books will be written for decades, how the Dems weaponized Covid politically, to achieve so many of their goals in the 2020-2023 time period.
The GOP has never been the party of habitually using a crisis to take advantage of the American public. Have they ever? Sure. But not even close to the extent that Dems do. For Dems, it's a primary feature of their playbook.
I think we are essentially saying the same thing. You stated it much more articulately. With extended voting ... with multiple ballots being sent out (I had a friend who said she received five) ... withholding the Hunter Biden story, which people later said would have impacted their votes ... juicing up the Trump hatred, there were a lot of factors.
Re: the spread in the numbers between Biden and Trump, there was so much in play, I wouldn't say it was "controllable" necessarily to "look" fair. But I don't think that really matters. Democrats lie directly to Americans, so they can lie about anything, no matter the level of
60 lost court cases, Trumps lawyers admitting under oath that it wasn't stolen and you still think it was? That's cult thinking. I bet you also believe Russia didn't help him get elected?
No. It's not cult thinking. I'm among the LEAST likely to ever become a cult member.
There are more than enough indicators of how the voting system was manipulated. All you have to do is open your eyes, read, look and watch. So you still believe the justice system is blind? Uh, right.
That's so funny. Uh, yah, Russia helped get Trump elected, with their, what $100k spent on FB.
You're obviously a TRUE BELIEVER in the new and corrupt DEM-SOCIALIST-FASCIST-TOTALITARIAN party.
Try to snap out of it. Time to take the red pill. Or keep on sucking down the blue pill and live a lie.
If you don't believe what Rufo writes about, why are you even on this threat, other than to refute what's actually going on? Spread your propaganda elsewhere.
Individuals can support Rufo and his defense of Western civilization and still think an individual who makes fun of people with cerebral palsy or boasts about grabbing by the "p*&%" is a narcissistic manipulator and unfit to lead a nation.
I have found that people that believe the election was stolen are too deep into the right wing propaganda to get through to on any other subject. It's a good basis of sanity question.
I get your drift. It's analogous to how we know that people who believe men can be women are far too deep into the left wing propaganda to get through to on any other subject.
I have found that people that believe the election was NOT stolen are too deep into left wing propaganda, willfully blind and unwilling to do the slightest bit of research that would counter their narrative.
There's only one thing I've read or seen that gives me a long pause on the 2020 election. And that's the movie "2000 Mules".
The technology and investigative techniques used on that film are first-rate. I knew it would be destroyed by the left-wing media the instant it was released, and I was right. It never had a chance to take off.
Do you think it possible the United States can overcome the tremendous partisan divide which has so polarized our country? If so, how?
Trump broke that and the constant lies from the right keep it going. Until they release the lies and realize we are all Americans the divide will stand.
Trump? How old are you, like 25? Does your knowledge of history go back to only 2015 or so? Lady, you need to badly study history. America and it's politics existed a LONG time before you were born. For example, go read about Obama's Presidency, and the constant political divide then. Next, read about Bush's 2000-2008 presidency, and the same situations. Go read about Clinton's 1992-2000 presidency, and the constant fights then. Heck, Clinton was even impeached. Just keep going back. You need some perspective.
No President has resisted the peaceful transfer of power or claimed an election to be fraudulent. The GOP gave birth to Trump with the election of Ronald Reagan. Reagan devalued people, said government was the problem (governance and government are not the same), and started to open the treasury to legalized theft. Trump is just the apotheosis of a 40+ year trend.
Rick. I have audio of both Hillary and J Carter claiming the 2016 election was stolen. What you are saying is provably untrue. Not putting you down at all. Just letting you know the info you are using is incomplete. It happens
Hillary blamed Russia and made other excuses. She lost based on her own merits. Those comments are nothing in comparison to continuously pushing the idea of a stolen election and tacitly promoting the events of January 6th.
Robert Jensen
Reagan's first speech as the GOP candidate was in Philadelphia, Mississippi. That was a town where 3 civil rights workers were murdered in the 1960s. This sent the message to the South that it was okay to long for the Jim Crow South.
He began the nasty meme with a prime example of "Welfare Queens". Not as objectionable as making fun of someone with cerebral palsy but unnecessary (unless of course you want to further the "Southern Strategy"). That along with firing all the air traffic control workers began the period of devaluing people by a President. It was okay to bust unions and devalue their labor.
He was president at the beginning of the trend towards a widening separation between wages and productivity. Wages actually went down during his Presidency relative to productivity.
He began a period of deregulation which during his term was limited apart from the Savings and Loan crisis which cost the US taxpayer billions (estimated at $124 billion which into today's dollars would be about $250 billion today
He appointed Donald Regan as Secretary of the Treasury. Regan had been the CEO of Merrill Lynch. What follows was a stream of investment bankers as head of Treasury. Deregulation and policy changes led to an unaccountable Wall Street where malfeasance was rewarded.
Iran/Contra
He removed the solar panels from the White House. This was consistent with a policy of disinvestment in the future of the United States. It took decades for infrastructure to deteriorate but it did. The country started to move from making things to wealth acquisition based on so called financial instruments.
He tripled the national debt.
He is credited with ending the Cold War. He was lucky because he was President during the culmination of 30+ years of bipartisan policy concerning the containment of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union could not compete with the US and 45 years after WW2 it dissolved. The US would have won that struggle with or without Reagan.
Reagan was transformational but not in a good way he was at the beginning of a trend that has led us to where we are today. If you consider him in the same league as Lincoln, Washington or FDR you clearly have a passion for middling movie stars.
OK, now you're evolving from the laughable into pure steaming BS.
Reagan is not only easily one of the 5 Greatest Presidents in history, many, including myself, consider him the SINGLE greatest president. He was a seminal, groundbreaking, one-in-a-lifetime President.
The fact that you know so little about history, and how truly monumental Reagan was, shows you're just too ignorant to have access to a keyboard.
Actually I was alive for all of those. I live in the Midwest. Obama was the greatest president of my lifetime. Until Trump and his nazi like techniques I never saw anyone care about who someone voted for.
Obama had really only one exceptional quality; his oratory skills. Problem is, the man was a habitual liar. Lied about everything. Domestic policy, lies, Foreign policy, more lies. Healthcare, tons of lies. But, this silver-tongued devil had most of us fooled. Dems liked him because he was a great speaker, smooth, handsome, and black. And simply because of those mostly superficial things, they loved him and ate up all he said.
Now your ideology is becoming clearer. Your comments make sense from someone with that mindset!
At the very least can we agree the election was not stolen?
Not all conservatives believe it was stolen. I'm very conservative. Initially, I thought there was a chance it had been stolen. But, the more I read, the less I believed that. Now, I think that Trump and his "election was stolen" fans need to MOVE ON from that, whether or not they believe it. Talking about that will NOT help Trump win in 2024. Me, I get a little sick each time I hear Trump mention this. It's like someone who has a grudge that they can't forgive. It doesn't matter if he THINKS he's right. It's just that it's OVER, it can't be relitigated, and he needs to shut up about that and move forward.
Besides, I'm more of a DeSantis guy anyway.
Thank you for that answer. My husband is a Republican but he voted for Biden to get Trump out. If Trump wins the primary, he will hold his nose and vote Blue again.
When faced with the lesser of two evils vote for none.
Well, I'm not quite as "far gone" as your hubby. Short of all-out nuclear war or Ebola Virus going airborne in America, I can't think of many worse things than Biden winning a 2nd term. After all, the man is probably at around stage 2 or3 of Alzheimer's now, and (if he wins) by the time he finishes in 2029 the guy would be pushing 90 and at stage 5. For God's sake, the guy doesn't even know what town he's in half the time, and he has no idea what to say without a typed script; and even then he misreads it. He's a walking, breathing, fossil.
But, since I live in CA, I have the luxury of voting any way I want, because it literally makes no difference. The state now votes around 70% Dem in every election. My wife is a moderate Dem, I'm a conservative Rep. And because I can vote any which way I want, I assure her that I vote for more Independent candidates in the General election. (she dislikes Trump and I'm not crazy about him). The electoral college and it's winner-takes-all assures me that CA's EC votes will always go to the Dems. I know it's a waste of a vote to vote for the GOP, and I can't bring myself to vote for a walking adult-diaper commercial like Biden. So, as I tell her, I always vote for the candidate from the Libertarian Party. At least that way I voted for someone.
But if DeSantis is the nominee, that's a whole other story. Even then, DS can't win blue states either. He's just a far more likeable person than DT.
No.
You expect reasonable people to believe that a mentally compromised man and a ho got 81 million votes?
12 million more than someone who was popular, Obama?
If it wasn't stolen, then we have the most ignorant, brain-dead population imaginable.
Either situation is a horror show for the future and turning this around. We appear to be on the Eve of Destruction for the country as we've known it.
Here's the thing Maria; ask yourself this, if YOU were planning to steal an election, would you try to claim 81 Million votes? Far more than you actually needed to win? Consider that the objective in committing fraud in an election is (1) winning and (2) Not arousing suspicions that it was stolen.
I think what's more likely, is the Dems were simply more effective at building up the vote-by-mail process. They clearly took HUGE advantage of the 2020 Covid crisis, got Fauci and his departments to declare that all polling places were massive disease spreading events, and got as many Federal and State officials as possible to think it was 100% necessary to mail a mail-in ballot to every person in America.
The whole thing was sickening. The entire system was the IDEAL opportunity to commit a large number of slimy and underhanded deeds. And I'm convinced books will be written for decades, how the Dems weaponized Covid politically, to achieve so many of their goals in the 2020-2023 time period.
The GOP has never been the party of habitually using a crisis to take advantage of the American public. Have they ever? Sure. But not even close to the extent that Dems do. For Dems, it's a primary feature of their playbook.
I think we are essentially saying the same thing. You stated it much more articulately. With extended voting ... with multiple ballots being sent out (I had a friend who said she received five) ... withholding the Hunter Biden story, which people later said would have impacted their votes ... juicing up the Trump hatred, there were a lot of factors.
Re: the spread in the numbers between Biden and Trump, there was so much in play, I wouldn't say it was "controllable" necessarily to "look" fair. But I don't think that really matters. Democrats lie directly to Americans, so they can lie about anything, no matter the level of
incredulity.
60 lost court cases, Trumps lawyers admitting under oath that it wasn't stolen and you still think it was? That's cult thinking. I bet you also believe Russia didn't help him get elected?
No. It's not cult thinking. I'm among the LEAST likely to ever become a cult member.
There are more than enough indicators of how the voting system was manipulated. All you have to do is open your eyes, read, look and watch. So you still believe the justice system is blind? Uh, right.
That's so funny. Uh, yah, Russia helped get Trump elected, with their, what $100k spent on FB.
You're obviously a TRUE BELIEVER in the new and corrupt DEM-SOCIALIST-FASCIST-TOTALITARIAN party.
Try to snap out of it. Time to take the red pill. Or keep on sucking down the blue pill and live a lie.
You just proved you are part of the cult. Good luck to you
Laughable.
If you don't believe what Rufo writes about, why are you even on this threat, other than to refute what's actually going on? Spread your propaganda elsewhere.
Individuals can support Rufo and his defense of Western civilization and still think an individual who makes fun of people with cerebral palsy or boasts about grabbing by the "p*&%" is a narcissistic manipulator and unfit to lead a nation.
Where did that come from?
I have found that people that believe the election was stolen are too deep into the right wing propaganda to get through to on any other subject. It's a good basis of sanity question.
I get your drift. It's analogous to how we know that people who believe men can be women are far too deep into the left wing propaganda to get through to on any other subject.
I have found that people that believe the election was NOT stolen are too deep into left wing propaganda, willfully blind and unwilling to do the slightest bit of research that would counter their narrative.
There's only one thing I've read or seen that gives me a long pause on the 2020 election. And that's the movie "2000 Mules".
The technology and investigative techniques used on that film are first-rate. I knew it would be destroyed by the left-wing media the instant it was released, and I was right. It never had a chance to take off.