The term "Karen" is a racist, sexist slur against white women. Apparently both the left and the right now think that white women are fair game for sexist, racist treatment. I am appalled by how many white men and white women are perpetrating this abusive, discriminatory behavior.
The term "Karen" is a racist, sexist slur against white women. Apparently both the left and the right now think that white women are fair game for sexist, racist treatment. I am appalled by how many white men and white women are perpetrating this abusive, discriminatory behavior.
A key component of the Longhouse theory is that including women into public spaces leads to them policing language, the ultimate expression of which is censorship. And here you are, Sandra, doing that very thing. Assuming your definition of the epithet of Karen is the right one and therefore ought to be policed because you associate it with race or discrimination.
Most people's understanding of the label is an inappropriately officious lady who demeans customer service staff and demands someone higher up the food chain as both a way to assert dominance and to humiliate the (often helpful) member of staff.
You see the problem society has? Women instinctively act in this way, which has repercussions for the rest of us, male and female. Men rarely do as a rule.
Did you not read the article? Cluster B behaviour is characterized by emotional outbursts and demands that must be met. Its antithesis is the kind of calm discussion where both parties try to understand the other point of view. A rarity nowadays.
"Women instinctively act in this way," and "Men rarely do as a rule."
This woman does not and while I've seen the crap all over the internet I do not have a single woman friend who behaves in the manner you describe. On the other hand all but one of the men I have known will use intimidation and other expressions of wounded ego as "a way to assert dominance and to humiliate".
Here is an example that is fresh in my mind: A couple of days ago I was shoveling snow at the end of my driveway on a bend in the small, rural road. The road was iced up real bad and I've seen people lose control on enough occasions over the past 30 years to be concerned. A week or so ago my neighbor was nearly hit by someone and when there is snow there are often as many as five cars parked at the end of the driveways. An out of control driver could do a lot of damage. So I used the hand signal to slow down. Yup. The maybe 30 something male driver who seemed to be in such a hurry stopped in order to defend himself (lie about how fast he was going) call me a fucking bitch and then punch it, skidding his rear wheels on the ice and eventually tearing off up the road to skid around the next bend I wanted to take my dog for a walk a little later but I was genuinely concerned I would encounter this ass again. Yes. I felt threatened. And I could tell at least another half dozen stories just like this one and I haven't even touched upon the cluster b boy I was married to.
I don't know how you could know what is instinctive for women unless you are one but I do realize that men believing they know what it is like to be a woman is all the rage lately so I'll just leave this here:
"Most women have experienced enough dominance from men—control, violence, insult, contempt—that no threat seems empty." - Andrea Dworkin
The comment was about women policing language, not physical intimidation. Perhaps you wish to read up on the Longhouse theory before commenting?
Your rambling story was completely irrelevant to anything I wrote. You are not doing much of a job showing the sisterhood in a good light, lol.
You'll note I didn't say women are parochial thinkers who use irrelevant personal anecdotes to ineptly counter points based on observation and data, but many do just this. 😜
My story was a demonstration of how men use threatening behavior in order to police/control language and other forms of communication. Policing language is policing language is policing language etc and you have failed to consider the wider context* that does include physical intimidation - almost always men intimidating and limiting the ability of women to advocate for themselves. It is unfortunate that you have responded exactly as I thought you would.
* failing to consider the wider context IS the definition of parochialism so good job on a nearly perfect example of projection.
So what is your solution? I often do the same thing you did (shovel and salt with dog-friendly salt), but I do not get the aggression you solicit. Is it possible that you are perhaps showing some aggression yourself? I say this because I used to. I have been in too many fights. I have been to jail. I had to work hard to stop it. Many women are not used to men punching them in the face, so they keep going. I have seen women antagonize men that terrify me, and then complain about not feeling safe. My gut is to want to protect women, but if you are frequently getting an angry response, I suspect the problem is not with all the men. That said, I do think we should imprison men for a decade or more for domestic violence. I would do 20 years for illegal gun possession and life for committing a crime with an illegal fire arm. That would solve so much. We can clear the prisons out with executions. No one will miss them. The world will be safer.
White women are the primary drivers of all of this nonsense and the primary benefactors of affirmative action. They somehow manage to be minorities and yet also the most privileged demographic.
It’s natural they would be criticized by both sides. They have their cake and eat it too.
Or white-looking. Many of the most influential and outspoken women leftists /subversives belong to a different ethny but can pass for white. They are good at leveraging the ambiguity and hiding in plain sight.
You have not read up on modern grievance studies. One "becomes" white with privilege. So Asian people who speak English with good grammar and make a decent living become white. Latinos who dislike litter on their property become white. Anyone who is right of Angela Davis is effectively white.
That’s what I was thinking too. I saw a research study a while ago that looked at what demographics were most hated by male narcissists. The men in the study admitted to hating heterosexual women the most. I’ll dig up that reference, since it appears to be a unifying attitude among so many men online. Not to mention a significant number of presumably heterosexual women online.
The term ‘Karen’ did originate as a racist epithet because it was a name typical of white American women, but it has changed its meaning in the light of those overbearing, officious individuals who took it upon themselves to issue orders during the Covid scam.
I recognize that there is a type of judge mental controlling busybody that the term refers to. I read that there were similar people hundreds of years ago in Europe, and they could be charged with the crime of being “common scolds.”
Here in my city most people were strictly compliant with lockdowns and masks, and scolding was approved. At the same time, the Karen slur continued to be used by the mostly leftist population against white women who did not sustain perfect performances of “anti racism.” Many women around here censor themselves about any criticism of gang activity, for example, “because I don’t want to be a Karen.”
I looked up the term "common scold." Their punishment was either the dunking stool, or being made to wear a grotesque mask, or the scold's bridle, which has a harness which covered the mouth.
It’s ridiculous to cry misogyny to exempt women from criticism and ridicule. Grow a pair (of breasts). Toxic women exist. Feminism shouldn’t confer sainthood on an entire group.
I don not see where calling a spade a spade "exempts" women from criticism. On the other hand - where are the social limits on male violence and intimidation? Once again - I'll leave this here:
"Most women have experienced enough dominance from men—control, violence, insult, contempt—that no threat seems empty." - Andrea Dworkin
Are you joking? We have police to throw those men in jail. Violence against women is a guaranteed conviction. Now, if you have fears of imagined violence, there is nothing that can save you outside of your own head, but out in the world, men who hurt women go to jail.
I agree that Karen is an anti-White slur usually used by Swarthoids after they are told to stop some sort of bad behavior. There are an unfortunate number of White women siding with non-Whites and assorted freaks against their men and children, though, and they do deserve shame. AWFL is a better slur for them.
We all know white women, especially those plagued with wealth, suffer the most. They are the ones losing their their minority housing staff to police violence. Do you know how hard it is to find a good groundskeeper who speaks English and has the appropriate deference? Wealthy white women need a break from their difficult, lives of social planning, philanthropy and skilled delegation of essential household staff. I have not even mentioned the horror of not being able to naturally conceive in one's fifties, an unforgivable harm biology has perpetrated against disadvantaged wealthy white women. When will the persecution stop?
if its any consolation, a woman of any race can be a karen. and most tend towards this. it is a matter of degree. its the nanny instinct. works well for running a daycare. not so good for managing adults.
In the matriarchal society of old, (the longhouse) women ran things in a smart, thoughtful way and hysteria was most likely frowned upon. Women in this society were too darn busy just doing what needed to be done in order to survive and had no time for histrionics. (IMHO)
The term "Karen" is a racist, sexist slur against white women. Apparently both the left and the right now think that white women are fair game for sexist, racist treatment. I am appalled by how many white men and white women are perpetrating this abusive, discriminatory behavior.
A key component of the Longhouse theory is that including women into public spaces leads to them policing language, the ultimate expression of which is censorship. And here you are, Sandra, doing that very thing. Assuming your definition of the epithet of Karen is the right one and therefore ought to be policed because you associate it with race or discrimination.
Most people's understanding of the label is an inappropriately officious lady who demeans customer service staff and demands someone higher up the food chain as both a way to assert dominance and to humiliate the (often helpful) member of staff.
You see the problem society has? Women instinctively act in this way, which has repercussions for the rest of us, male and female. Men rarely do as a rule.
Did you not read the article? Cluster B behaviour is characterized by emotional outbursts and demands that must be met. Its antithesis is the kind of calm discussion where both parties try to understand the other point of view. A rarity nowadays.
Food for thought.
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"Women instinctively act in this way," and "Men rarely do as a rule."
This woman does not and while I've seen the crap all over the internet I do not have a single woman friend who behaves in the manner you describe. On the other hand all but one of the men I have known will use intimidation and other expressions of wounded ego as "a way to assert dominance and to humiliate".
Here is an example that is fresh in my mind: A couple of days ago I was shoveling snow at the end of my driveway on a bend in the small, rural road. The road was iced up real bad and I've seen people lose control on enough occasions over the past 30 years to be concerned. A week or so ago my neighbor was nearly hit by someone and when there is snow there are often as many as five cars parked at the end of the driveways. An out of control driver could do a lot of damage. So I used the hand signal to slow down. Yup. The maybe 30 something male driver who seemed to be in such a hurry stopped in order to defend himself (lie about how fast he was going) call me a fucking bitch and then punch it, skidding his rear wheels on the ice and eventually tearing off up the road to skid around the next bend I wanted to take my dog for a walk a little later but I was genuinely concerned I would encounter this ass again. Yes. I felt threatened. And I could tell at least another half dozen stories just like this one and I haven't even touched upon the cluster b boy I was married to.
I don't know how you could know what is instinctive for women unless you are one but I do realize that men believing they know what it is like to be a woman is all the rage lately so I'll just leave this here:
"Most women have experienced enough dominance from men—control, violence, insult, contempt—that no threat seems empty." - Andrea Dworkin
The comment was about women policing language, not physical intimidation. Perhaps you wish to read up on the Longhouse theory before commenting?
Your rambling story was completely irrelevant to anything I wrote. You are not doing much of a job showing the sisterhood in a good light, lol.
You'll note I didn't say women are parochial thinkers who use irrelevant personal anecdotes to ineptly counter points based on observation and data, but many do just this. 😜
My story was a demonstration of how men use threatening behavior in order to police/control language and other forms of communication. Policing language is policing language is policing language etc and you have failed to consider the wider context* that does include physical intimidation - almost always men intimidating and limiting the ability of women to advocate for themselves. It is unfortunate that you have responded exactly as I thought you would.
* failing to consider the wider context IS the definition of parochialism so good job on a nearly perfect example of projection.
We are not talking about men. My comment was about women policing language. Please keep focused on the topic at hand.
So what is your solution? I often do the same thing you did (shovel and salt with dog-friendly salt), but I do not get the aggression you solicit. Is it possible that you are perhaps showing some aggression yourself? I say this because I used to. I have been in too many fights. I have been to jail. I had to work hard to stop it. Many women are not used to men punching them in the face, so they keep going. I have seen women antagonize men that terrify me, and then complain about not feeling safe. My gut is to want to protect women, but if you are frequently getting an angry response, I suspect the problem is not with all the men. That said, I do think we should imprison men for a decade or more for domestic violence. I would do 20 years for illegal gun possession and life for committing a crime with an illegal fire arm. That would solve so much. We can clear the prisons out with executions. No one will miss them. The world will be safer.
White women are the primary drivers of all of this nonsense and the primary benefactors of affirmative action. They somehow manage to be minorities and yet also the most privileged demographic.
It’s natural they would be criticized by both sides. They have their cake and eat it too.
*liberal white women, but yes.
Or white-looking. Many of the most influential and outspoken women leftists /subversives belong to a different ethny but can pass for white. They are good at leveraging the ambiguity and hiding in plain sight.
You have not read up on modern grievance studies. One "becomes" white with privilege. So Asian people who speak English with good grammar and make a decent living become white. Latinos who dislike litter on their property become white. Anyone who is right of Angela Davis is effectively white.
Online losers of the left & right are more similar than different - their most hated enemy is their mother.
That’s what I was thinking too. I saw a research study a while ago that looked at what demographics were most hated by male narcissists. The men in the study admitted to hating heterosexual women the most. I’ll dig up that reference, since it appears to be a unifying attitude among so many men online. Not to mention a significant number of presumably heterosexual women online.
The term ‘Karen’ did originate as a racist epithet because it was a name typical of white American women, but it has changed its meaning in the light of those overbearing, officious individuals who took it upon themselves to issue orders during the Covid scam.
I recognize that there is a type of judge mental controlling busybody that the term refers to. I read that there were similar people hundreds of years ago in Europe, and they could be charged with the crime of being “common scolds.”
Here in my city most people were strictly compliant with lockdowns and masks, and scolding was approved. At the same time, the Karen slur continued to be used by the mostly leftist population against white women who did not sustain perfect performances of “anti racism.” Many women around here censor themselves about any criticism of gang activity, for example, “because I don’t want to be a Karen.”
> they could be charged with the crime of being “common scolds.”
We should consider bringing it back.
I looked up the term "common scold." Their punishment was either the dunking stool, or being made to wear a grotesque mask, or the scold's bridle, which has a harness which covered the mouth.
I had a girlfriend who made me wear something like that. They get uncomfortable with your mouth open on that ball.
Fair point. The term still has its original usage among those who coined it.
While there is punishment, there is no cure for the common scold.
It’s ridiculous to cry misogyny to exempt women from criticism and ridicule. Grow a pair (of breasts). Toxic women exist. Feminism shouldn’t confer sainthood on an entire group.
I don not see where calling a spade a spade "exempts" women from criticism. On the other hand - where are the social limits on male violence and intimidation? Once again - I'll leave this here:
"Most women have experienced enough dominance from men—control, violence, insult, contempt—that no threat seems empty." - Andrea Dworkin
Are you joking? We have police to throw those men in jail. Violence against women is a guaranteed conviction. Now, if you have fears of imagined violence, there is nothing that can save you outside of your own head, but out in the world, men who hurt women go to jail.
Hmm. Be careful with the grow a pair please. Many MANY woman have, and lost them (and quite possibly their life) to cancer.
I prefer Betty Whites approach:
"Grow a vagina"
If you don't know the context, Google it.
:)
I call anyone, either sex, any colour, a Karen. If they are one. Lots of male Karens. But quite a bit more female ones.
American white women. I travel a lot overseas, there are few people as entitled or righteous as American white women.
You're the only one thinking it means all white women. Instead of entitled white women who use their status to hurt people lower in status than them.
LIBERAL WHITE WOMEN basically condoned and allowed everything you see today to happen...may want to look in the mirror.
I agree that Karen is an anti-White slur usually used by Swarthoids after they are told to stop some sort of bad behavior. There are an unfortunate number of White women siding with non-Whites and assorted freaks against their men and children, though, and they do deserve shame. AWFL is a better slur for them.
Sandra, don't channel Karen. She is fkn real & she is banned from my home.
We all know white women, especially those plagued with wealth, suffer the most. They are the ones losing their their minority housing staff to police violence. Do you know how hard it is to find a good groundskeeper who speaks English and has the appropriate deference? Wealthy white women need a break from their difficult, lives of social planning, philanthropy and skilled delegation of essential household staff. I have not even mentioned the horror of not being able to naturally conceive in one's fifties, an unforgivable harm biology has perpetrated against disadvantaged wealthy white women. When will the persecution stop?
if its any consolation, a woman of any race can be a karen. and most tend towards this. it is a matter of degree. its the nanny instinct. works well for running a daycare. not so good for managing adults.
This confirming this article by your sense of victimhood etc
Let's see the appalling stats.
In the matriarchal society of old, (the longhouse) women ran things in a smart, thoughtful way and hysteria was most likely frowned upon. Women in this society were too darn busy just doing what needed to be done in order to survive and had no time for histrionics. (IMHO)