This is more likely the case than the whole “feminized” rationalization. Marxism has seen that pitting groups of people against each other based on fundamental and/or immutable differences as a real viable leverage point. I had a young Marxist sincerely (?) and with flaring nostrils tell me that “Marx supported people’s right to baer arms and that anyone who says otherwise is just regurgitating (Cold War) propaganda. Go look up what Marx actually said“ I didn’t say out loud: ”yeah kid, but I lived through that Cold War era. Marx only believed people should have guns long enough to overthrow the bourgeoisie/current government, then strip them of them.” Which they did and then killed millions of their own people and others in neighboring countries they overran and subsumed. So much for freedom. No, I agree that women aren’t perfect and some, perhaps many are catty and conniving (although that has been traditionally attributed to having to be the (more subtle) power behind the throne. But not all. And plenty of us don’t hate men, don’t over emotionalize (?), believe in standards and competency, logic and reason, truth and facts. I think that Marxism has intersected (using the word ironically) with immaturity, dysfunction & dishonesty in all of it’s excesses and here we are. Sigh. I don’t want to go back to the old days where I had to fend off my lecherous teacher with one hand while trying to type with the other as he pet my neck. Ick. And when I complained about it to the school counselor he told me to stay after school with him alone to get a better grade. It takes all kinds to make a world. Here is one more point to consider: when rat (and other) animal populations overpopulate and overcrowd they can exhibit abnormal, dysfunctional, and even violent and canabalistic behaviors. This may be at the root of not only far left extremism but also far right extremism and other extremism behaviors. In point of fact that theory fits in better than any patriarchal or matriarchal masculine/feminine model.
I have no doubt it was part of the mix. Even the campaign to allow women to vote was opposed by the majority of women who predicted women would ask for more welfare and increase taxes on working men. All of this is absent from the history books but is easy to find. Then there is a rogues gallery of absolute cranks who made up the early feminists. Some were legitimately crazy. The biggest lie is that previous iterations of feminism were about equality but it was never about that.
Interesting. And if women had not been voting, we would have has only 2-3 Democratic presidents in the past 100 years (all else being equal). No JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama, or Biden. Unsure about Truman. That would make an interesting alternative history.
Women seek security and they'll take it from wherever they can get it.
The stability of previous generations was basically men and women being codependent on each other. He brings home the bacon, she gives him kids and takes care of the house
Other cultures avoid welfare for this reason. It is female nature to be indifferent to the source of their support. Government money is easy as you don't have to provide anything in return. It is an avoidance of responsibility, which is understood by almost 80 percent of the world's population.
Some - not all - upper class women opposed votes for women. These women understood that entering the public sphere meant - in the long run - less protection for them in private life. They preferred to rule the private sphere under the financial protection of men. It was a deal that benefited them. Women who did not get such protection through marriage were out in the cold. No wonder some women understood they needed political power to have any other sort.
"everything I don't like is Marxism" amazing how guys like Rufo get people to catch on to their little buzz phrases and clap like circus seals every time they're uttered
No I’ve just been taking a good look at things, that’s all. We can agree to disagree, but I would prefer you actually address the subject matter, after all I will ignore you after this if you cannot come up with an alternative explanation.
How much of this has been foisted upon us through Marxist ideology and their efforts to destabilize society?
This is more likely the case than the whole “feminized” rationalization. Marxism has seen that pitting groups of people against each other based on fundamental and/or immutable differences as a real viable leverage point. I had a young Marxist sincerely (?) and with flaring nostrils tell me that “Marx supported people’s right to baer arms and that anyone who says otherwise is just regurgitating (Cold War) propaganda. Go look up what Marx actually said“ I didn’t say out loud: ”yeah kid, but I lived through that Cold War era. Marx only believed people should have guns long enough to overthrow the bourgeoisie/current government, then strip them of them.” Which they did and then killed millions of their own people and others in neighboring countries they overran and subsumed. So much for freedom. No, I agree that women aren’t perfect and some, perhaps many are catty and conniving (although that has been traditionally attributed to having to be the (more subtle) power behind the throne. But not all. And plenty of us don’t hate men, don’t over emotionalize (?), believe in standards and competency, logic and reason, truth and facts. I think that Marxism has intersected (using the word ironically) with immaturity, dysfunction & dishonesty in all of it’s excesses and here we are. Sigh. I don’t want to go back to the old days where I had to fend off my lecherous teacher with one hand while trying to type with the other as he pet my neck. Ick. And when I complained about it to the school counselor he told me to stay after school with him alone to get a better grade. It takes all kinds to make a world. Here is one more point to consider: when rat (and other) animal populations overpopulate and overcrowd they can exhibit abnormal, dysfunctional, and even violent and canabalistic behaviors. This may be at the root of not only far left extremism but also far right extremism and other extremism behaviors. In point of fact that theory fits in better than any patriarchal or matriarchal masculine/feminine model.
Well aren’t you a mad hatter! Good day to ‘ya 🤪🥴😬
I have no doubt it was part of the mix. Even the campaign to allow women to vote was opposed by the majority of women who predicted women would ask for more welfare and increase taxes on working men. All of this is absent from the history books but is easy to find. Then there is a rogues gallery of absolute cranks who made up the early feminists. Some were legitimately crazy. The biggest lie is that previous iterations of feminism were about equality but it was never about that.
Interesting. And if women had not been voting, we would have has only 2-3 Democratic presidents in the past 100 years (all else being equal). No JFK, Carter, Clinton, Obama, or Biden. Unsure about Truman. That would make an interesting alternative history.
Women seek security and they'll take it from wherever they can get it.
The stability of previous generations was basically men and women being codependent on each other. He brings home the bacon, she gives him kids and takes care of the house
Other cultures avoid welfare for this reason. It is female nature to be indifferent to the source of their support. Government money is easy as you don't have to provide anything in return. It is an avoidance of responsibility, which is understood by almost 80 percent of the world's population.
Wow do you actually know any women?
Some - not all - upper class women opposed votes for women. These women understood that entering the public sphere meant - in the long run - less protection for them in private life. They preferred to rule the private sphere under the financial protection of men. It was a deal that benefited them. Women who did not get such protection through marriage were out in the cold. No wonder some women understood they needed political power to have any other sort.
"everything I don't like is Marxism" amazing how guys like Rufo get people to catch on to their little buzz phrases and clap like circus seals every time they're uttered
Nice try at a deflection. Do you have anything real to contribute?
No I’ve just been taking a good look at things, that’s all. We can agree to disagree, but I would prefer you actually address the subject matter, after all I will ignore you after this if you cannot come up with an alternative explanation.