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Scott Gibb's avatar

I’m not on board.

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e.pierce's avatar

Irrelevant.

Again, the psychopaths on the cultural-left see your calls for "debate", "improved discourse", virtuous leadership, morality, etc. as weakness to be manipulated.

Your argument didn't work against King George, the Confederacy, Hitler, Stalin or Mao, and it won't work against the lunatics on the far left.

The only thing you can depend on the left to do is to engage in infighting and stabbing each other in the back. The extremists always stab the "moderates" in the back.

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Scott Gibb's avatar

And then what?

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e.pierce's avatar

Did you see Rufo's call for a new form of "conservatism" recently?

In any case, this is one version of what Western Civilization v2.0 (hierarchies of curated expertise) might look like.

The key feature is meta-narrative analysis and creating modes of thinking and doing stuff that are anti-fragile to disruption by postmodern relativism, narcissism and nihilism.

https://metarationality.com/stem-fluidity-bridge

excerpt:

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Kegan describes three stages of adult development (numbered 3, 4, and 5). We could call them pre-rational, rational, and meta-rational. These stages are distinctive, internally consistent, relatively-well-functioning modes for organizing one’s thinking, one’s self, and one’s relationships. They might be described as “islands of psychological stability.” To progress from one island to the next, you must cross a heaving sea of psychological confusion, in which the previous mode no longer seems functional, but you cannot yet operate in the next mode reliably. These stage transitions are emotionally and cognitively difficult, and typically take several years, during which one may think, feel, and act inconsistently.

Ideally, a society and culture provides “bridges” of support from one stage to the next. To some extent, ours does. However, Kegan pointed out that we have allowed the bridge from stage 3 to 4 to fall into disrepair. We are not adequately teaching young adults how to be rational, systematic, or modern. This is the central theme of his In Over Our Heads: The Mental Demands of Modern Life.

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same author, PhD AI scientist, 1980s, MIT:

https://meaningness.com/meaningness-history

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Scott Gibb's avatar

Probably, I’ve been following for 6 weeks or so. Which Rufo post are you talking about? So far his stuff is mostly bread and butter political activism; not even chocolate ice cream.

The other stuff is way too complicated. My point in asking you “and then what?” is that there’s a lot more to life than politics and power. Whatever floats your boat though.

Let’s close this out with something we agree on. How about Thomas Sowell’s description of cosmic justice? Does that resonate with you at all?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8WYi-64MejU

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e.pierce's avatar

Rufo explains why the old conservatism is inadequate:

https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-new-right-activism

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Not sure what chocolate ice cream means.

"Too complicated" for who?

Complexity is a major feature of the "crisis of meaning", and can be understood via systems theory and evolutionary psychology.

The parts list for a 737 Max 9 airliner is "complicated", but people fly the plane, especially when the bolts are tightened properly.

The internet is "complicated", but it is in use.

DEI is relatively non-complex in that its origins, while convoluted and various, are well understood as a mix of crappy revolutionary ideology from 100+ years ago refitted to postmodern social conditions: global economics, suburban consumerism and a "crisis of meaning".

Why are you bringing up Sowell as a response?

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Scott Gibb's avatar

Too complicated for most people.

Sowell seems to have accurate models of the left. Your model seems to differ quite a bit. It seems like you’re making it up.

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e.pierce's avatar

Do you have a psychiatric disorder?

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Scott Gibb's avatar

Nice ad hominem.

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e.pierce's avatar

You keep pulling stupid sh1t out of your bazz whole and ignoring cited facts. That strongly predicts a mental dysfunction, particularly an inability to use metacognitive function.

Again:

Rufo explains why the old conservatism is inadequate:

https://christopherrufo.com/p/the-new-right-activism

Say something that isn't incoherent.

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Scott Gibb's avatar

What’s your goal in this thread?

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