Exactly. Hate the anti-Semitic speech law all you want for carving out a protected class, but it ain’t Zionists harassing students, marching down streets, hiding their faces, shooting Palestinians and their supporters outside Islamic embassies,or burning Muslims. The greatest threat to the West is not Zionism, Chris, but radical Islam and those who fail to see it as the cancer it is.
David. Sure you can point to people on all sides having opinions on the boundaries of free speech. But drawing an equivalency between people who support Israel (Zionist) and radical terrorists is quite insulting. The largest threat to America? I favor extreme free speech, but in defense to those who have different boundaries, drawing an equivalency between them and radical islam shows (1) an extreme level of ignorance and stupidity or (2) a need to use relativism to hide
your own hatred of jews, or (3) you just have a need to spout off without thinking. Just saying.
Personally, I think that if Israel needs to kill all the Palestinians in the world to be safe as a country, that's what they should do. But any State (e.g. Texas) or federal adoption of the IHRA's bullshit definition of antisemitism is a First Amendment abomination.
From the Karlstack Post:
Specifically, this ‘‘working definition’’ of ‘‘antisemitism’’ makes it a hate-crime to:
“Deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination.”
Read: You can’t critique Zionism or Israel’s founding.
"Accuse Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations."
Read: you can’t accuse Jewish people of dual loyal to Israel.
"Make mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews.’’
Read: you can’t be mean to Jewish people.
"Accuse Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group.’’
Read: you can’t accuse Jewish people of wrongdoing.
‘‘Apply double standards by requiring of [Israel] a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation."
Read: you can’t criticize Israel.
"Use the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis."
Read: you can’t accuse Jewish people of killing Jesus (you legally have to blame his death on Pontius Pilate).
Draw comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
This would criminalize 2024 essay from historian and Israel Defense Forces veteran Omer Bartov outlining how his research of Nazi Germany informed his concerns about Israel.
Okay, I reread this. Let's get this straight. Your tirade was about some stupid people trying to curtail free speech. (Which I also think is disgusting) but you also say "Personally, I think that if Israel needs to kill all the Palestinians in the world to be safe as a country, that's what they should do." And you think these stupid people are the biggest threat to America. Got it. IMHO, I think these are all extremist positions. But you are correct that I misunderstood your last post.
FYI. Here's the actual IHRA definition. Make of it what you will: "Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities." https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
Too bad you do not understand that calling for jihad in the face of Judo-Christian culture requires the “rule of power” to reestablish the equilibrium with the “rule of law “.
Apparently Marxist ideology hates our culture. Great, try life anywhere in the Middle East to get a sense of your own enlightenment.
This game is for keeps. It took generations to denazify Germany. Gaza represents a much larger challenge.
It’s not “free speech” to call for the death of an entire people and nation(s), to call out “globalize the intifada” on our streets and campuses, and harass Jewish students and citizens. It’s incitement to violence and it’s also treasonous. Do you think you should have to tolerate someone coming to your home every day and night and yelling through a bullhorn that you should die? I know you’d be the first to call the police and demand that they be arrested for disturbing the peace. Well…this is no different. Jewish Americans have already been injured and killed because of the tolerance of these maniacs under the guise of “free speech”. Does it have to come to your door for you to see it?
And your source is? The terrorist regime? Israel must win the war against the hostage-taking rapist terrorists. Stop acting like it is about slaughtering Palestinians. Once they give up peace will come to the region. 🙏🙏🙏
Only in the context of war with terrorists. Not of any civilians. It is called winning a war against those who want you dead. Nothing immoral with "winning." The problem with your thought process is that you ASSUME both sides have the same intension. But on one side are jews, arab jews, arab christians, Bahai, Beduin, Druze, etc, who live together in peace. On the other side are extreme muslims who teach hate and want to kill everyone who disagrees with them-- arab muslim, jew, Christian, Druze, Beduin, alike. You need to move beyond the rhetoric.
Last time I checked, Ha’aretz was still in print and online in Israel. Imagine a media outlet so full of hate against the government in, say, Qatar, or Iran.
Interesting conflation of Zionists and radical Islamists. Let me help you with your grammar: ALL radical Islamists support censorship, and SOME Zionists support censorship. Notice how many newspapers and media outlets critical of Hamas existed in Gaza under Hamas? Now read Haaretz, which is totally legal and thriving in Israel, or here is a story of Oded Lifshitz, who vehemently opposed Israeli policy and was friends with the Gazans until Gazans repaid him for his support by taking him hostage and killing him: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5x4zp07ro
Seriously, what do vandalism, harassment, and murder have to do with free speech? I'm certainly not suggesting that. I would have used CN gas on the Columbia protesters, and the NY TPF on the occupiers of Hamilton Hall like in the good old days of 1968 & 1970.
More nonsense if you can't write or talk about it. In America, you can still print the Koran (or the Bible or the Book of Mormon) on a roll of toilet paper (yes, it could fit; see the Charmin Forever Roll https://shop.charmin.com/). In many other Western countries, that would be a prosecutable hate crime.
The whole thing is about people who think they are smarter, better and more deserving trying to subjugate "lesser" people. You decide which side is which.
WP name the 10 top banks by Assets in the US and tell me what % are owned by Zionists (Jews) of these top 10 banks. Goldman Sachs at #6 was the only Jewish Bank in the top 10 banks. Today Goldman Sachs has many non Jewish partners today. Even if we assume Goldman is controlled by Jews, it would only amount to 4.4% Jews owned at the top ten banks in the US. This is far from your assertion that "95% of all major ones in the West" are owned by Jews. I would assume in the non USA Western countries are less owned by Jews as a % than in the US.
I only responded to your 95% comment and nothing else. If you just throw out an absurd # like 95%, it is not for me to prove anything else you assert. How about providing detail support for your all your assertions. One has to question you are honesty person whether acting in good faith with your posts when you make off-the-wall assertions.
Don’t know. Don’t care. I’m waiting for you to enlighten us with an exhaustive list of media, porn, and banks with their associated Jewish owners. Better not leave a single one out or your argument will reveal its clear fallacy. Hell, I’d be impressed with a list of banks in Arab Middle Eastern countries that have Jewish owners.
What about the Chinese banks which are among the largest in the world. And Thai porn? And Korean dominance of music media in Asia? Yeah, they're jews too. Gotta be. 😱
So if I say that “all banks are owned by Zionists” and it’s only 95% of all major ones in the West I’m committing a fallacy but if you say because there are some radical Muslims “Radical Islam” is a cancer (which is purposefully vague) and must be destroyed you aren’t committing one? Or maybe you’re just being choosy because you’re propagandized to support Israel because all the media you consume doesn’t cover the atrocities Israel is perpetrating and covers for them meanwhile your own people are being replaced and you don’t even care
Well the original poster engaged anti-Muslim propaganda and called Islam cancer so don’t get mad when people call out Jewish power (which is much more prevalent in the West) especially at the institutions Chris works for
Yes, Chris works with, dare I say it, jews. WP, better watch your back because I might report you to my Jewish cabal connections who will take away your bank account and block your porn. WP-- you're a loser. Just saying.
You can call me names doesn’t make what I said untrue. I don’t have any problem with Jews uniquely except when they do evil things. Their religion is totally wrong and often leads to ethno-narcissism and because of their bad theology they often do evil like defending killing civilians and demonizing their enemies through propaganda. Many different groups have problems and can be criticized I don’t dislike Jews in particular but you’re not going to get away with your propaganda and calling Muslims uniquely evil while genociding them
WP, I would never call muslims "uniquely evil." I would call the extremist muslims uniquely evil. And muslims uniquely have these extremists. For example, there are arab jews, christians, and muslims. Only the muslims have extremists who do hostage-taking, mass rape, and barbarism. But it does require indoctrination. That is why few muslims in Israel are extremists but a very high number live in Gaza. FYI, it is not just jews who call it out. Most muslim countries have ongoing battles with muslim extremists. It is mostly western Christians who romanticize these extremist muslims. It is a lib thing. They look at criminals, peds, illegals, marxists, and muslim-extremists as victims in need of their compassion.
Correction. The mrdia and banks and porn have many jewish in high level positions but the majority are Christians by friendly anti-semite. We should all look in the mirror.
Israel has burned children to death in Gaza. Burned hospital patients as they were still hooked up to IVs. Israeli settler terrorists in the West Bank try to burn down Palestinian homes, with families inside, every single day. They have total impunity and are never prosecuted or punished.
> radical Islam
Not all Palestinians are Muslim. Many are Christian. The Christian Palestinian communities in Bethlehem, where Jesus was born, are thousands of years old. Israel is actively trying to destroy them. Just as they have bombed Gaza’s churches, and sent snipers to kill women inside them
The jews are a threat to Christians? Learn your history. All of the countries north of and including Israel were Christian until the muslim takeover in the first millennium which saw 1/2 of all Christian lands in the workd decimated by the muslim. Even Saudi Arabia before Mohammed was jewish and Christian.
The muslims almost took over Europe until they were beaten back. Today, the Jews protect the Christians in the middle east. And the Christians are barely holding on in places like Africa. You really need to learn your history and stop listening to muslim extremists.
There are still many Christian Arabs in Bethlehem. And, while they tend to be no friends of Hamas, you will rarely find them blaming “the Muslims” as the major source of their problems. In surveys, they cite the economy and the Israeli occupation as their #1 issues. (The Christian proportion of Bethlehem’s population dropped when the administrative borders of the city were changed to include the nearby Muslim town of Doha. That administrative change doesn’t reflect actual population movements)
“The Christians of Bethlehem face a crisis as their dwindling community faces systematic Palestinian discrimination, harassment and violence in the cradle of Christianity, as well as being erased from Palestinian Authority curriculum.
…
Freedom of worship is another casualty. Converts to Christianity from Islam face threats and are forced to practice their faith in secrecy, especially in Gaza. Public Christian celebrations are often targeted, with Christmas trees burned, religious symbols desecrated and Christian leaders coerced into parroting anti-Israel narratives.
“The PA uses Christian leaders as political pawns,” said Hirsch. “They shift the blame for their struggles onto Israel while denying the role of Muslim-dominated authorities in the persecution. It’s shocking that the global Christian community turns a blind eye. These are their brethren, and yet their cries go unheard.”
Said Zarina, “Christian leaders are pressured to toe the line with the Palestinian narrative, while those who speak out risk backlash. The silence from Western governments and media perpetuates this cycle of abuse.”
> Many people explain that the declining Christian population in Palestine is due to the overall difficulties of living in Palestine, not because of overt discrimination towards Christians. "Even Muslims are leaving; of course, it will not be as evident to see how many Muslims are leaving compared to the Christians, because the Christians are really a minority," said Sr. Lucia Corradin, a Elizabethan sister from Italy who works at the Caritas Baby Hospital.
> Walid al-Shatleh, a gym teacher at Talitha Kumi school in Beit Jala, a traditionally Christian village next to Bethlehem, is one of the Palestinian Christians considering emigration. He and his extended family are debating between moving to Canada or Australia.
> Al-Shatleh said the Israeli army seized 24 dunams (six acres) of his farmland to construct the separation wall between Israel and the Palestinian territories, cutting down his family's old growth olive trees and ruining his livelihood.
> "We feel like there is no future for us in this land," he said. "I can travel to Europe and move freely between countries, even leaving my passport [at the hotel]. But here, I have to show my ID everywhere I go, I have to cross a checkpoint every day," he said. "I can't visit the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, I used to go once a month but now I need special permission."
> "We live like we're an animal in a cage in a zoo, there's only one exit and entrance which is a piece of paper from Israeli authorities saying when I can go to Jerusalem and at what time," al-Shatleh added.
> Nabil Giacaman, a Catholic shop owner of the "Christmas House" store on Manger Square, said media emphasis on the shrinking Christian population was part of an effort to create an internal divide in Palestinian society. "It's not about Christians and Muslims, it's not that I'm facing these issues only because I'm a Christian," said Giacaman. "As Muslims suffer, Christians also suffer. At the end, we are all Palestinian, we get the same permits and the same treatment at the checkpoints."
That being said:
> Others say the situation is more nuanced.
> "Officially, the laws are the same for Christians and Muslims but there is still some racism," said Qumsieh, who noted that most of the prejudice is connected to land ownership, and that people generally try to sell land to others from the same religion.
Large majorities say they see PA corruption and Islamic extremism as major issues. But large majorities also say they don’t face harassment from their Muslim neighbors. 62% believe Israel’s goal is to expel them from Palestine.
Moral clarity and common sense are in short supply on all sides. None of us regular folk are aware of the of the decades-long back room dealings by the monied and ruling class that have propelled us to this point, but of one thing I am certain: "Jews" - Zionist or not (and there many Jews who are NOT Zionists) are being used as a foil by the truly responsible parties, as they have been for centuries.
Bravo - thanking you from Jerusalem for your moral clarity on this issue -and what I call the Academic Intifada… we will be honored to host you here in Israel…. And show you both the moral clarity and sense of purpose most Israeli soldiers have as well as how Israel’s different universities cope with “wokeness” - some very well, some, to be honest, less well….
"Moral clarity"? Good to know Jerusalem residents consider the Zionist Holocaust to provide clarity. Ironically it does, but not in the way you think, as decent people all over the world see Israel for the degenerate, racist, genocidal state it is. The hasbara shield has been shattered
"Genocide, holocaust, ethnic cleansing, racist". Do you have any other virtue signalling buzzwords you'd like to throw out there today? Your dishonesty is suffocating. You strenuously avoid any thoughts as to what Israel should do to protect itself and its citizens from an islamofacist homophobic transphobic women subjugating antisemitic terror group who have repeatedly stated their intention to erase the state of Israel and all Jews therein. You deftly sidestep any consideration of the fact that since 1937 the Arabs (now known as Palestinians since 1964) have rejected the two state solution about ten times. You seemingly have never commented on the human tragedies in Sudan, Yemen, Syria and countless other conflicts, because you only care about one war. 150,000 dead in Sudan since 2023. 1 million dead if you add Yemen and Syria. Any thoughts there? No? You have so many strong opinions about what shouldn't be happening. Surely you have at least one opinion on what should be happening?
You can't help stupid with a side of hate. It is Islam that openly practices ethnic cleansing and genocide, and Islam's adherents have been doing so since the 7th century. Any idiot can Google the religious demographics of Muslim countries to realize this fact. Any idiot can trace the Muslim jihad across North Africa, the Middle East and throughout Asia to see this clearly.
U.S. higher education: the barbarians are inside the gates. The jihadists are here now, in the open, testing limits, breaking an egg or two to make a hate omelette.
Haha, as predicted, a full body swerve and refusal to actually answer my perfectly clear question. So I'll ask you again, what do you think Israel should do do protect itself from terrorists who want to murder them, and to recover the hostages that they took and specifically don't want a two state solution? Sorry, when I say two state solution I mean 23 state solution if you include the other 21 Arab states where virtually not a single Jew lives, because they got ethnically cleansed. And what do you think about the death tolls in Yemen, Syria and Sudan? Still no comment? Still no opinion? Do you even acknowledge these other conflicts are happening? Best revert to your semi-informed posturing, virtue signalling, empty rhetoric and misinformation campaign.
You’ve obviously never been to Israel. If you had been, you would not call Israelis degenerate, racist, and genocidal. Anyone like you who says the horrible things you say should be required to go to Israel. You would never spout such slander if you did.
The Israelis are the most amazing people and society I have ever seen. You have been brainwashed and only believe these lies because of your pre-existing antisemitism. You WANT to hate the Jewish people, and thus Israel. How sad.
You have it wrong. That land of Judea & Samaria was given to Israel by God period. Those Arabs there came from Turkey, Egypt, Syria to steal the land. & Busch MADE Israel give up the land for peace. We have stupid leaders that don’t understand the history of Israel. Rome forced Israel off their land & after 2,000 years as in the book of Isaiah came back to their land. Israel is forever. Jesus was Jewish not a Muslim.
Hilarious. The genocide-supporting Torah/Old Testament makes it pretty clear that Jews occupied Israel by committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in the first place.
As for "god" handing a parcel of real estate to a specific ethnic group and smiling upon ethnic cleansing and genocide to install them there? Keep your vicious deity, please, decent people reject any "god" who masterminds such atrocities
Anyone who can read English can comprehend the genocidal calls in the Qur'an and Hadiths. There are too many to count and why Muslims number almost 2 billion while Jews are under 16 million.
The Palestinians are largely descendants of people who lived on that land when the Jewish exile began. Not all Jews left; some stayed (along with non-Jewish neighbors), and converted to Christianity, losing their Jewish identity. When Muhammad’s armies rolled in, most of these people converted again to Islam.
The Gazans / Hamas have had numerous opportunities for peaceful coexistence. They have refused them all and instead, deliberately waged a continued war of annihilation. They wanted it. They got it. It’s just not going well for them. Their annihilation is long overdue. When they bring their war here and attack Americans we should eliminate them.
This article sets up the classic false choice. We principled people are choosing NEITHER. Neither the genocidal state of Israel and its vicious Zionist Holocaust nor terrorist Hamas.
Both are wrong, but Israel is the far greater abomination, as history did not start Oct 7. Israel's decades-long ethnic cleansing, oppression, and slaughters are forgotten and unmentioned only by the enablers and supporters of the Zionist Holocaust.
Yes, and that's why there are fewer than 16 million Jews in the world. It's obvious they have controlled the world since their beginnings. Beginnings that date back to long before Jesus or the killer prophet Mohammed were even born.
But October 7th didn’t need to happen, and especially the way it was carried out. There was nothing noble or righteous in that act. No redeemable justification.
Yeah, but Rufo has always been pro-Israel and will always push propaganda that aligns with the Israeli state and the mainstream MAGA movement, and opposes the "extremes" of the left and the right.
When Peter Thiel is the bankroll behind his IM1776 project, it's not wonder Rufo shills for ZOG. It's the same reason you see Jordan Peterson out there shilling recently - he has new owners now. Ben Shapiro.
I agree, Europe's continual murderous relationship against Jews should ensure they stay completely out of it. Let the Europeans wage war against one another. Something they have been doing since forever.
Do you know anyone in Gaza? I do. You would have quite another story if you knew families in Gaza who are kept poor by Hamas. Who have to stay in their tent, lest they be killed by Hamas. Who are taught as toddlers to hate Jews, but are convinced to love them by God. There are such people there. They want peace. They want Hamas gone. Did you see the young man who led a protest against Hamas a few weeks ago? He was cut into pieces and sent back to his family. This is a centuries old war, and though you think otherwise, it is a Spiritual battle, besides a war over land and the right of Israel to exist. You do know that the goal of Hamas, Iran, Yemen and every other Islamic country is for tiny Israel to be eliminated. It seems as if you are believing the propaganda of the enemy . Be certain of this, the enemy of Israel is the enemy of America. You are deceived if you do not believe this. There is a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Seek to know the difference. God loves you.
Also follow the money. When you have Qatar giving b/millions to universities, you’ve gotta know there are strings attached. We are allowing the universities to sell our precious country out for a few Qatari riyal.
Ah, it's a fallacy to believe one side must be bad and the other good. I say both are both.
It's also a fallacy to believe all folks want the same western culture.
As an Armerican, I prefer it, perhaps because it's all I know.
However none of that matters much.
I do not see our overriding national interest in any of these foreign fights. It's not our place, and we certainly shouldn't be supporting bloodshed overseas.
We must concentrate on making our nation great for us. To the extent that means fighting crimes of any type here, I agree.
Did you see the results of last month's survey of Jewish Israeli opinions? Close to a majority supports wiping out all the residents of an enemy city the way Joshua did to Jericho, killing all including the babies. And a majority believe Amalek exists in the world now and needs to be destroyed. Israel seems to have a lot of radical Judaists as bad as radical Islamists. ICBW
I think it's complicated in that sure there are lunatics out there who actually support Hamas; but there are also a lot of people who are concerned about innocent Palestinians, who think Hamas is bad, but also think that what Israel is doing is bad. And they get lumped in with the lunatics. And that's wrong too. There can be a conflict with 2 bad guys.
Perhaps you can tell me about a war with no civilian casualties. Do you even understand what war is? Familiar with Dresden, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki? All the violent demons in Gaza have to do is release the hostages and lay down their arms. Is there a reason that Egypt has a massive set of border walls to keep the Gazans out of their country? Perhaps they know what Gazan “refugees” did to Lebanon? What do you think would happen to terrorism rates in america if we took these people in and gave them free housing, food, education and healthcare?
It might also help not to locate weapons and military operations in hospitals, schools, and houses and using civilians as human shields during wartime. Oh yeah, and some of the hostages the Gazans held were American citizens. Why are you not pleading for compassion for Americans but bleating about Gazans?
I am happy you mentioned the concept of war. Ever since man existed, we have had war. Whether it is one clan against another, or a group of countries attempting world domination, there have been wars. Wars usually lead to the victor taking land and possessions from the loser.
The result of WWII was the change in borders of many counties and the creation of new countries. Israel was created and immediately was attacked by all the surrounding Arab countries. Today, except for Gaza, a complete wasteland, it has defensible borders. Arabs thrive in Israel. They are citizens, serve in the legislature, serve in the military, and Arab doctors care for wounded Jewish soldiers on the battlefield.
Just as Che gueverra was a brutal, sadistic butcher, there is nothing valiant about ‘Palestinian freedom fighters’.
To understand the issue with Gaza, imagine a section of land smaller than Connecticut being inhabited by people who are trained to hate New Yorkers from when they are in the womb. Imagine it as a totally desolate area, with no functioning government, ruled by despotic terrorists. Then imagine those in Gaza continually lobbing missiles at NY daily, or infiltrating into NY to randomly kill anyone they see.
You are correct. In my opinion it’s a cop out to just blame “Hamas”, as somehow being limited to the elected government and guerrilla soldiers who are comprised of Gazans. This war is widely supported by the populace and you can see for yourself how they parade hostages around to be violently abused by the general population. You can also determine for yourself how UNWRA schools indoctrinate the children from an early age to hate Jews and lust for murdering even Jewish civilians. And you know how intense the religious indoctrination is with regards to Jews (and pretty much all non-Muslims). The entire population has been steeped in violent indoctrination and bloodlust for generations and it has been effective. Why do you think the 55 Muslim countries in the world refuse to take in these perpetual “refugees”? Maybe because when the civilians who have steeped in this ideology relocate they inflict violence wherever they go. It would be a fatal mistake to assume the violence is limited to some kind of formal government or military personnel. This is consistent with jihad as practiced throughout the region.
No, my very strong preference is for peace and an end to bloodshed. If you know of a way to stop the Gazans from continually murdering people in Israel (including Americans present) please describe precisely how you would do that? I’m all ears.
Because the Gazans have spent decades murdering Jewish civilians through rocket attacks and a multitude of terrorist attacks I support Israel taking all reasonable measures to ensure that stops, just as I would support America defending its people from the same reign of terror. Is there something in the history of war that didn’t involve large scale civilian casualties? Again, if you know how to stop the terror without civilian casualties please describe.
Well that's an impossible standard to achieve; how could you ever ensure that no terror attack will happen again? The United States undertook multiple wars in the Middle East following 9/11; are we now assured that no terror attack will occur against us? I understand they had to make a response and hit back, but what's the endpoint of that? Just bomb them until the end of time?
I think Israel is far from perfect, but they live with neighbors who do wish them harm, many to the extent of truly committing genocide, of the final solution type, upon them. They have used aid and assistance to build a compatible flourishing modern economy, and a democracy that allows for a plurality of views and equal rights for citizens of every race and religion. Meanwhile, Palestinians have accepted billions in aid and used it to educate their children to make bombs and missiles to kill and provoke their neighbors. Their grievance over loss of their land and homes is understandable, but that war is lost; it was, a long time ago. It's time to accept reality and a historically unprecedented amount of aid, and build a new country. But the influence of radical Islam, which is a greater danger by far than radical Zionism, won't tolerate this. All these liberals bleating about Israel would I guarantee much rather live in Israel than under a Sharia state (unless they are happy to submit to Islam).
Christopher nailed this, it really is (apart from an element of anti-Zionism or Jew hatred on the right) about anti Western, anti oppressor viewpoint of the modern Left.
Israel has made mistakes and done horrible things in its war against the Arabs who left in 1948, and their allies. But their opponents have attacked them with armies, missiles, and terror, with stated aims including their complete eradication. I don't think it's hard to choose a side here. And the choice you make reveals a lot. You're either pro the civilization that has fostered the tolerance you probably love over 400 years, and allows you to speak against it, or pro those that won't and don't.
I mean to say Palestinaians are getting lots of aid is fine if you point out that Israel is receiving FAR more aid than they are.
Yes it's easy to tell someone else to accept the loss of their homes and to accept it with tranquility, as well as deaths of loved ones and their mistreatment. If you were in that situation you would not do so.
There is an element of Jew hatred, but imo that is VASTLY overstated. Just as the left tries to frame so many things as racist, the right often tries to paint many things as anti-semitic.
Of course they'd rather live in Israel but that's irrelevant here. A nation with a high standard of living and rule of law can still commit atrocities.
And again you're talking about what Hamas does but Israel reportedly has an IDF base built under a mall in Tel Aviv. Also if Hamas fired rockets to kill an IDF commander and took out an entire apartment complex to get him, I don't think you'd be defending that action.
I did suggest they were both beneficiaries of foreign aid. Israel does indeed receive billions in aid per year, maybe 4 billion? (almost all in military assistance), Wyest Bank and Gaza combined receive at least 2.5 billion in general by humanitarian assistance.
Many defeated people have moved on and made new lives without waging wars of retribution. You're correct in suggesting I may not be so magnanimous as to do this myself, but in general I think it's the best response. Most losers don't receive the aid to allow them to retaliate; retaliation is historically usually suicidal.
I admitted Israel has done wrong but I think it's only fair to about their existence has been under extreme duress, under constant threat of literal annihilation. The same cannot be said of organized Palestinian violent actions. Ditto, how they treat their own citizens. It speaks something of the quality of their culture and society. Horrible deeds are committed by all cultures with sufficient power, the question is how much, how often, and how they respond when it happens. You can't say Israel and Hamas are equal because they both have committed atrocities. I would suggest Israel has committed far less, relative to opportunity, than the reverse.
You wrote: "Their grievance over loss of their land and homes is understandable, but that war is lost; it was, a long time ago."
Jews literally spent almost 2,000 years clinging to their grievances over their loss of their land and homes in Israel. Their wars with Rome were lost a long time ago, too. I'm not taking a side on this war, but the idea Jews would tell Palestinians they need to give up and the war is lost seems like "the pot calling the kettle black".
Jews never stopped living in Israel. They just stopped ruling it. And, their return to power is now history. You didn't obtain peace by removing them from where they are now.
Why would Jews in Israel think they could obtain peace by removing non-Jewish people who have lived in a place but at the same time insist that removing Jews from a place they have lived will never result in peace?
It seems contradictory.
Removing Jews will never result in peace.
But removing non-Jews will result in peace.
Is the theory that Jews are much more violent and unwilling to make peace unless they get their way while non-Jews are more agreeable and willing to settle to make peace?
The leftists are wrong about most things. They are tyrannical and their tactics are bad. But the facts of Israel/Palestine are independent of western leftists.
Stalin supported the Allies in WW2. Stalin was just as bad or worse than western leftists. So we’re the Allie’s bad because Stalin supported them?
The radical left's support for Palestine/Hamas is also independent of the facts. They have solipsistically recast the issue in terms of 'Settler/Colonial' ideology, which tells them who is the evil oppressor (boo!), and who the heroic, innocent, oppressed victims are (yaay!) That is why there are groups like 'Queers for Palestine,' even though they would be instantly executed if they ever turned up in Gaza (though not necessarily by the prescribed method of being thrown from a tall building, because there don't appear to be many of them remaining.)
College leftists' framing of the situation doesn't change the facts, though. Again, they may view the conflict strictly through a Marxist, postmodern lens, but that doesn't negate the reality that Israel is an imperially-backed, nuclearly-armed state occupying a territory of people they rule over with extraordinary force.
That's exactly what this is, and it's a shame that so many people can't see it. It's some of the laziest argumentation one can engage in. "Palestine is in the wrong because the college students supporting it are wrong." To your point, was Stalin good because he joined with the Allies?
Not taking any sides here in this debate except calling for peace and friendship, but your point is right, but it is not about "guilt by association" (which is something else, like "x associating with thugs, and so x is a thug" but more about "correlation using non-correlatable instances". Like saying Hitler drove VW and you drive a VW so you must be hitler. NOT.
Exactly. Hate the anti-Semitic speech law all you want for carving out a protected class, but it ain’t Zionists harassing students, marching down streets, hiding their faces, shooting Palestinians and their supporters outside Islamic embassies,or burning Muslims. The greatest threat to the West is not Zionism, Chris, but radical Islam and those who fail to see it as the cancer it is.
The greatest threat to the West and civilization is censorship, which, apparently, both many Zionists and radical Islamists support.
David. Sure you can point to people on all sides having opinions on the boundaries of free speech. But drawing an equivalency between people who support Israel (Zionist) and radical terrorists is quite insulting. The largest threat to America? I favor extreme free speech, but in defense to those who have different boundaries, drawing an equivalency between them and radical islam shows (1) an extreme level of ignorance and stupidity or (2) a need to use relativism to hide
your own hatred of jews, or (3) you just have a need to spout off without thinking. Just saying.
As my former boss would say, go suck an egg.
See Karlstack Politics, A Zionist Onslaught Against Freedom of Speech [Part 1]
https://www.karlstack.com/p/a-zionist-onslaught-against-freedom?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=353444&post_id=163085385&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=ks168&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Personally, I think that if Israel needs to kill all the Palestinians in the world to be safe as a country, that's what they should do. But any State (e.g. Texas) or federal adoption of the IHRA's bullshit definition of antisemitism is a First Amendment abomination.
From the Karlstack Post:
Specifically, this ‘‘working definition’’ of ‘‘antisemitism’’ makes it a hate-crime to:
“Deny the Jewish people their right to self-determination.”
Read: You can’t critique Zionism or Israel’s founding.
"Accuse Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations."
Read: you can’t accuse Jewish people of dual loyal to Israel.
"Make mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews.’’
Read: you can’t be mean to Jewish people.
"Accuse Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group.’’
Read: you can’t accuse Jewish people of wrongdoing.
‘‘Apply double standards by requiring of [Israel] a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation."
Read: you can’t criticize Israel.
"Use the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis."
Read: you can’t accuse Jewish people of killing Jesus (you legally have to blame his death on Pontius Pilate).
Draw comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
This would criminalize 2024 essay from historian and Israel Defense Forces veteran Omer Bartov outlining how his research of Nazi Germany informed his concerns about Israel.
David. Wow, so now Israeli's are Nazis. And jews cannot accept criticism. Well, you just offered your criticism and boy oh boy.
Hey, yell Free Palestine for all you want. IMHO you are very wrong. That's all.
You have reading comprehension problems. Free Palestine, no; from the River to the Sea, the land should belong to Israel would be my position.
You would have made a good Sonderkommando.
Okay, I reread this. Let's get this straight. Your tirade was about some stupid people trying to curtail free speech. (Which I also think is disgusting) but you also say "Personally, I think that if Israel needs to kill all the Palestinians in the world to be safe as a country, that's what they should do." And you think these stupid people are the biggest threat to America. Got it. IMHO, I think these are all extremist positions. But you are correct that I misunderstood your last post.
FYI. Here's the actual IHRA definition. Make of it what you will: "Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities." https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
Disappointing.
I agree they are not equivalent. Also, though I don’t support censorship I don’t think it is the greatest threat to civilization
Too bad you do not understand that calling for jihad in the face of Judo-Christian culture requires the “rule of power” to reestablish the equilibrium with the “rule of law “.
Apparently Marxist ideology hates our culture. Great, try life anywhere in the Middle East to get a sense of your own enlightenment.
This game is for keeps. It took generations to denazify Germany. Gaza represents a much larger challenge.
Not sure if you were replying to me. I agree 190%.
It’s not “free speech” to call for the death of an entire people and nation(s), to call out “globalize the intifada” on our streets and campuses, and harass Jewish students and citizens. It’s incitement to violence and it’s also treasonous. Do you think you should have to tolerate someone coming to your home every day and night and yelling through a bullhorn that you should die? I know you’d be the first to call the police and demand that they be arrested for disturbing the peace. Well…this is no different. Jewish Americans have already been injured and killed because of the tolerance of these maniacs under the guise of “free speech”. Does it have to come to your door for you to see it?
Censorship of regular calls for action is one thing. Promoting murder is quite another.
Israel promotes the mass slaughter of Palestinians lmao what are you talking about
Islam promotes the mass slaughter of all infidels. lmao what are you talking about.
Are you aware of what is going on in Gaza right now? They are killing lots of innocent civilians
Are you aware of what is going on in Gaza right now? Hamas jihadists are hiding underneath women's skirts in grade schools.
And your source is? The terrorist regime? Israel must win the war against the hostage-taking rapist terrorists. Stop acting like it is about slaughtering Palestinians. Once they give up peace will come to the region. 🙏🙏🙏
Only in the context of war with terrorists. Not of any civilians. It is called winning a war against those who want you dead. Nothing immoral with "winning." The problem with your thought process is that you ASSUME both sides have the same intension. But on one side are jews, arab jews, arab christians, Bahai, Beduin, Druze, etc, who live together in peace. On the other side are extreme muslims who teach hate and want to kill everyone who disagrees with them-- arab muslim, jew, Christian, Druze, Beduin, alike. You need to move beyond the rhetoric.
Yeah actually you don’t get to kill random civilians because you are at war. Israel might be consequentialist but it’s a silly moral philosophy
If you want to believe that, I feel sorry for your defunct reading skills.
Last time I checked, Ha’aretz was still in print and online in Israel. Imagine a media outlet so full of hate against the government in, say, Qatar, or Iran.
I suspect most readers here have no idea what Ha'aretz is so your comment may be lost on them.
Interesting conflation of Zionists and radical Islamists. Let me help you with your grammar: ALL radical Islamists support censorship, and SOME Zionists support censorship. Notice how many newspapers and media outlets critical of Hamas existed in Gaza under Hamas? Now read Haaretz, which is totally legal and thriving in Israel, or here is a story of Oded Lifshitz, who vehemently opposed Israeli policy and was friends with the Gazans until Gazans repaid him for his support by taking him hostage and killing him: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5x4zp07ro
Free speech does not support the vandalism, harassment and murder that domestic Palestinian supporters are engaged in.
Seriously, what do vandalism, harassment, and murder have to do with free speech? I'm certainly not suggesting that. I would have used CN gas on the Columbia protesters, and the NY TPF on the occupiers of Hamilton Hall like in the good old days of 1968 & 1970.
David, we get it, extreme censorship is bad. There are people who want to go too far.
But your obsession with this topic obscures the larger threats. Move on..
Nonsense; the greatest threat to the West is radical Islam and the Marxism of the mad woke movement.
More nonsense if you can't write or talk about it. In America, you can still print the Koran (or the Bible or the Book of Mormon) on a roll of toilet paper (yes, it could fit; see the Charmin Forever Roll https://shop.charmin.com/). In many other Western countries, that would be a prosecutable hate crime.
That argument gets us no where. But you get to feel smug about it
The whole thing is about people who think they are smarter, better and more deserving trying to subjugate "lesser" people. You decide which side is which.
Personally I smugly think I am better that a backwards terrorist. Shoot me!
you have no idea what you are talking about.
So, which is which?
Both Israel and Hamas think they are the better people, and the other side is lesser.
No, righteous. You can go suck an egg, also.
Afraid to confront the truth of virulent anti-Semitism?
Another clown with terminal reading comprehension issues.
To answer your stupid question, no, but that's not what I've been writing about.
Im against censorship but it doesn’t seem any threat to civilization or the West. That would be political Islam imho
True the zionists just own all the media and banks and porn companies
All. 100%. Even the Arab banks? Al Jazeera? Thanks for being an idiot.
WP name the 10 top banks by Assets in the US and tell me what % are owned by Zionists (Jews) of these top 10 banks. Goldman Sachs at #6 was the only Jewish Bank in the top 10 banks. Today Goldman Sachs has many non Jewish partners today. Even if we assume Goldman is controlled by Jews, it would only amount to 4.4% Jews owned at the top ten banks in the US. This is far from your assertion that "95% of all major ones in the West" are owned by Jews. I would assume in the non USA Western countries are less owned by Jews as a % than in the US.
1. JP Morgan Chase - $3.46T
2. Bank of America - $2.59T
3. Wells Fargo - $1.71T
4. Citibank - $1.70T
5. US Bank - $662.9B
6. Goldman Sachs - $558.2B
7. PNC Bank - $556.1B
8. Truist Bank - $523.1B
9. Capital One - $487.2B
10. TD Bank - $372.8B
https://www.emarketer.com/content/top-10-biggest-us-banks-by-assets--data-drop
These are public companies.
I only responded to your 95% comment and nothing else. If you just throw out an absurd # like 95%, it is not for me to prove anything else you assert. How about providing detail support for your all your assertions. One has to question you are honesty person whether acting in good faith with your posts when you make off-the-wall assertions.
8 out of 7 statistics are made up off the cuff.
😂
How many Islamic radicals own media companies?
Don’t know. Don’t care. I’m waiting for you to enlighten us with an exhaustive list of media, porn, and banks with their associated Jewish owners. Better not leave a single one out or your argument will reveal its clear fallacy. Hell, I’d be impressed with a list of banks in Arab Middle Eastern countries that have Jewish owners.
What about the Chinese banks which are among the largest in the world. And Thai porn? And Korean dominance of music media in Asia? Yeah, they're jews too. Gotta be. 😱
So if I say that “all banks are owned by Zionists” and it’s only 95% of all major ones in the West I’m committing a fallacy but if you say because there are some radical Muslims “Radical Islam” is a cancer (which is purposefully vague) and must be destroyed you aren’t committing one? Or maybe you’re just being choosy because you’re propagandized to support Israel because all the media you consume doesn’t cover the atrocities Israel is perpetrating and covers for them meanwhile your own people are being replaced and you don’t even care
And here I thought Goebbels was dead. WP convinced me otherwise.
Well the original poster engaged anti-Muslim propaganda and called Islam cancer so don’t get mad when people call out Jewish power (which is much more prevalent in the West) especially at the institutions Chris works for
It ain’t propaganda if it’s the truth. And I called “radical Islam” a cancer. Pay attention.
Yes, Chris works with, dare I say it, jews. WP, better watch your back because I might report you to my Jewish cabal connections who will take away your bank account and block your porn. WP-- you're a loser. Just saying.
You can call me names doesn’t make what I said untrue. I don’t have any problem with Jews uniquely except when they do evil things. Their religion is totally wrong and often leads to ethno-narcissism and because of their bad theology they often do evil like defending killing civilians and demonizing their enemies through propaganda. Many different groups have problems and can be criticized I don’t dislike Jews in particular but you’re not going to get away with your propaganda and calling Muslims uniquely evil while genociding them
WP, I would never call muslims "uniquely evil." I would call the extremist muslims uniquely evil. And muslims uniquely have these extremists. For example, there are arab jews, christians, and muslims. Only the muslims have extremists who do hostage-taking, mass rape, and barbarism. But it does require indoctrination. That is why few muslims in Israel are extremists but a very high number live in Gaza. FYI, it is not just jews who call it out. Most muslim countries have ongoing battles with muslim extremists. It is mostly western Christians who romanticize these extremist muslims. It is a lib thing. They look at criminals, peds, illegals, marxists, and muslim-extremists as victims in need of their compassion.
Correction. The mrdia and banks and porn have many jewish in high level positions but the majority are Christians by friendly anti-semite. We should all look in the mirror.
Time to fight back. The “rule of power” needs to reestablish the equilibrium with the “rule of law”.
> shooting Palestinians and their supporters
“Florida man shot Israeli visitors thinking they were Palestinians, police say”
https://www.reuters.com/world/florida-man-shot-israeli-visitors-thinking-they-were-palestinians-police-say-2025-02-17/
> burning Muslims
Israel has burned children to death in Gaza. Burned hospital patients as they were still hooked up to IVs. Israeli settler terrorists in the West Bank try to burn down Palestinian homes, with families inside, every single day. They have total impunity and are never prosecuted or punished.
> radical Islam
Not all Palestinians are Muslim. Many are Christian. The Christian Palestinian communities in Bethlehem, where Jesus was born, are thousands of years old. Israel is actively trying to destroy them. Just as they have bombed Gaza’s churches, and sent snipers to kill women inside them
The jews are a threat to Christians? Learn your history. All of the countries north of and including Israel were Christian until the muslim takeover in the first millennium which saw 1/2 of all Christian lands in the workd decimated by the muslim. Even Saudi Arabia before Mohammed was jewish and Christian.
The muslims almost took over Europe until they were beaten back. Today, the Jews protect the Christians in the middle east. And the Christians are barely holding on in places like Africa. You really need to learn your history and stop listening to muslim extremists.
No, not “the Jews”—the government of Israel. Don’t try to pin its crimes on innocent Jews who had nothing to do with them.
World Council of Churches: “Alice Kisiya: as land is confiscated in Al-Makhrour, ‘we need more support’” https://www.oikoumene.org/news/alice-kisiya-as-land-is-confiscated-in-al-makhrour-we-need-more-support
The Catholic Herald: “Christian homes and a Catholic school among buildings destroyed in Gaza” https://thecatholicherald.com/christian-homes-and-a-catholic-school-among-buildings-destroyed-in-gaza/
CNN: “Pope speaks out after IDF sniper kills two women inside Gaza church, per Catholic authorities” https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/idf-sniper-gaza-church-deaths-intl-hnk/index.html
Queen Rania of Jordan: ”Christmas is canceled in the land of Jesus’ birth” https://archive.is/iWLVO
The Guardian: “‘They are trying to make it unbearable’: Jerusalem Christians face Easter under Israeli crackdown” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/jerusalem-christians-easter-israeli-crackdown-church-holy-sepulchre
Patriarch John of Antioch: “Palestine is bleeding with the Nazarene on the calvary of tyranny” https://orthochristian.com/156777.html
The New Arab: “Israeli soldiers film themselves desecrating church, mocking rituals in south Lebanon” https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-soldiers-desecrate-church-south-lebanon
Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israeli Minister of National Security: “Israelis spitting on Christians is an old Jewish tradition” https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231005-ben-gvir-israelis-spitting-on-christians-is-an-old-jewish-tradition/
Need I go on?
You are who you hang out with.
Love your sources... all radical libs who have no problem telling lies and pushing anti-colonizer hogwash. What a Troll you are.
You should read up on the story of George Habash, founder of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Habash
There were a lot of Christian Arabs in Bethlehem. You know who chased them out? The Muslims.
There are still many Christian Arabs in Bethlehem. And, while they tend to be no friends of Hamas, you will rarely find them blaming “the Muslims” as the major source of their problems. In surveys, they cite the economy and the Israeli occupation as their #1 issues. (The Christian proportion of Bethlehem’s population dropped when the administrative borders of the city were changed to include the nearby Muslim town of Doha. That administrative change doesn’t reflect actual population movements)
World Council of Churches: “Alice Kisiya: as land is confiscated in Al-Makhrour, ‘we need more support’” https://www.oikoumene.org/news/alice-kisiya-as-land-is-confiscated-in-al-makhrour-we-need-more-support
The New Arab: “A world heritage site under threat: Palestinian Christians fight to reclaim UNESCO land seized by Israeli settlers” https://www.newarab.com/features/palestinian-christians-demand-settler-stolen-unesco-land-back
Queen Rania of Jordan: ”Christmas is canceled in the land of Jesus’ birth” https://archive.is/iWLVO
The Guardian: “‘They are trying to make it unbearable’: Jerusalem Christians face Easter under Israeli crackdown” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/jerusalem-christians-easter-israeli-crackdown-church-holy-sepulchre
Patriarch John of Antioch: “Palestine is bleeding with the Nazarene on the calvary of tyranny” https://orthochristian.com/156777.html
Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israeli Minister of National Security: “Israelis spitting on Christians is an old Jewish tradition” https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231005-ben-gvir-israelis-spitting-on-christians-is-an-old-jewish-tradition/
Rod Dreher: “An anti-Christian disgrace in Jerusalem” https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holy-fire-anti-christian-disgrace-in-jerusalem-ateret-cohanim-jewish-settlers/
International Middle East Media Center: “Israel Demolishes Recreational Park, Wedding Hall, In Beit Sahour” https://imemc.org/article/israel-demolishes-recreational-park-wedding-hall-in-beit-sahour/
(Beit Sahour is 80% Christian)
Tucker Carlson interviews a priest from Bethlehem: https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1777800149818822809
In 1950, Christians constituted about 86% of the population. However, by 2022, this proportion had dwindled to 10%.
https://tps.co.il/articles/bethlehems-last-christians-face-persecution-violence-and-erasure/
“The Christians of Bethlehem face a crisis as their dwindling community faces systematic Palestinian discrimination, harassment and violence in the cradle of Christianity, as well as being erased from Palestinian Authority curriculum.
…
Freedom of worship is another casualty. Converts to Christianity from Islam face threats and are forced to practice their faith in secrecy, especially in Gaza. Public Christian celebrations are often targeted, with Christmas trees burned, religious symbols desecrated and Christian leaders coerced into parroting anti-Israel narratives.
“The PA uses Christian leaders as political pawns,” said Hirsch. “They shift the blame for their struggles onto Israel while denying the role of Muslim-dominated authorities in the persecution. It’s shocking that the global Christian community turns a blind eye. These are their brethren, and yet their cries go unheard.”
Said Zarina, “Christian leaders are pressured to toe the line with the Palestinian narrative, while those who speak out risk backlash. The silence from Western governments and media perpetuates this cycle of abuse.”
National Catholic Register: https://www.ncronline.org/bethlehems-declining-christian-population-casts-shadow-over-christmas
> Many people explain that the declining Christian population in Palestine is due to the overall difficulties of living in Palestine, not because of overt discrimination towards Christians. "Even Muslims are leaving; of course, it will not be as evident to see how many Muslims are leaving compared to the Christians, because the Christians are really a minority," said Sr. Lucia Corradin, a Elizabethan sister from Italy who works at the Caritas Baby Hospital.
> Walid al-Shatleh, a gym teacher at Talitha Kumi school in Beit Jala, a traditionally Christian village next to Bethlehem, is one of the Palestinian Christians considering emigration. He and his extended family are debating between moving to Canada or Australia.
> Al-Shatleh said the Israeli army seized 24 dunams (six acres) of his farmland to construct the separation wall between Israel and the Palestinian territories, cutting down his family's old growth olive trees and ruining his livelihood.
> "We feel like there is no future for us in this land," he said. "I can travel to Europe and move freely between countries, even leaving my passport [at the hotel]. But here, I have to show my ID everywhere I go, I have to cross a checkpoint every day," he said. "I can't visit the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, I used to go once a month but now I need special permission."
> "We live like we're an animal in a cage in a zoo, there's only one exit and entrance which is a piece of paper from Israeli authorities saying when I can go to Jerusalem and at what time," al-Shatleh added.
> Nabil Giacaman, a Catholic shop owner of the "Christmas House" store on Manger Square, said media emphasis on the shrinking Christian population was part of an effort to create an internal divide in Palestinian society. "It's not about Christians and Muslims, it's not that I'm facing these issues only because I'm a Christian," said Giacaman. "As Muslims suffer, Christians also suffer. At the end, we are all Palestinian, we get the same permits and the same treatment at the checkpoints."
That being said:
> Others say the situation is more nuanced.
> "Officially, the laws are the same for Christians and Muslims but there is still some racism," said Qumsieh, who noted that most of the prejudice is connected to land ownership, and that people generally try to sell land to others from the same religion.
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Here is a poll from 2020 of Palestinian Christians: https://pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%20Findings%20of%20Emigration%20Among%20Palestinian%20Christians%20June%202020.pdf
Large majorities say they see PA corruption and Islamic extremism as major issues. But large majorities also say they don’t face harassment from their Muslim neighbors. 62% believe Israel’s goal is to expel them from Palestine.
Of course they don’t blame Muslims, they are too intimidated.
That speech law is unconstitutional. Period.
The Islamic blasphemy laws will bury the truth and your children.
Paulette souks islamic deek
Very succinct writing! ✍️
Thanks for stating it very simply; that which everyone else tries to make complicated!!!
As Bill Maher points out.....It's a war. Hamas is the perpetrator and needs to be eliminated. The end.
It really is that uncomplicated. 🤷🏼♀️
Came here to say this !! Woah to those who make good evil and evil good .
well said!
A common sense and spot on take Mr. Rufo, but then common sense and moral clarity are in short supply on the Left.
Moral clarity and common sense are in short supply on all sides. None of us regular folk are aware of the of the decades-long back room dealings by the monied and ruling class that have propelled us to this point, but of one thing I am certain: "Jews" - Zionist or not (and there many Jews who are NOT Zionists) are being used as a foil by the truly responsible parties, as they have been for centuries.
Bravo - thanking you from Jerusalem for your moral clarity on this issue -and what I call the Academic Intifada… we will be honored to host you here in Israel…. And show you both the moral clarity and sense of purpose most Israeli soldiers have as well as how Israel’s different universities cope with “wokeness” - some very well, some, to be honest, less well….
"Moral clarity"? Good to know Jerusalem residents consider the Zionist Holocaust to provide clarity. Ironically it does, but not in the way you think, as decent people all over the world see Israel for the degenerate, racist, genocidal state it is. The hasbara shield has been shattered
"Genocide, holocaust, ethnic cleansing, racist". Do you have any other virtue signalling buzzwords you'd like to throw out there today? Your dishonesty is suffocating. You strenuously avoid any thoughts as to what Israel should do to protect itself and its citizens from an islamofacist homophobic transphobic women subjugating antisemitic terror group who have repeatedly stated their intention to erase the state of Israel and all Jews therein. You deftly sidestep any consideration of the fact that since 1937 the Arabs (now known as Palestinians since 1964) have rejected the two state solution about ten times. You seemingly have never commented on the human tragedies in Sudan, Yemen, Syria and countless other conflicts, because you only care about one war. 150,000 dead in Sudan since 2023. 1 million dead if you add Yemen and Syria. Any thoughts there? No? You have so many strong opinions about what shouldn't be happening. Surely you have at least one opinion on what should be happening?
You can't help stupid with a side of hate. It is Islam that openly practices ethnic cleansing and genocide, and Islam's adherents have been doing so since the 7th century. Any idiot can Google the religious demographics of Muslim countries to realize this fact. Any idiot can trace the Muslim jihad across North Africa, the Middle East and throughout Asia to see this clearly.
U.S. higher education: the barbarians are inside the gates. The jihadists are here now, in the open, testing limits, breaking an egg or two to make a hate omelette.
Omg. Standard Zionist hasbara. My country is not funding and enabling those wars. Bigbdifference.
And fyi the Zionist Holocaust is not a war.
So please keep your propaganda for your Zionist bubble.
Haha, as predicted, a full body swerve and refusal to actually answer my perfectly clear question. So I'll ask you again, what do you think Israel should do do protect itself from terrorists who want to murder them, and to recover the hostages that they took and specifically don't want a two state solution? Sorry, when I say two state solution I mean 23 state solution if you include the other 21 Arab states where virtually not a single Jew lives, because they got ethnically cleansed. And what do you think about the death tolls in Yemen, Syria and Sudan? Still no comment? Still no opinion? Do you even acknowledge these other conflicts are happening? Best revert to your semi-informed posturing, virtue signalling, empty rhetoric and misinformation campaign.
Well done Paul, thanks for highlighting the blatant moral and intellectual bankruptcy.
OMG. Standard Muslom taqiyya. Bigbdifference?
And fyi the Islamic worldwide Holocaust is not a war, it is a world war.
So Please keep your propaganda for your Islamic bubble.
I checked online and paulette is from third world country and thinks she is white now after immigrating here and souking white deek
You’ve obviously never been to Israel. If you had been, you would not call Israelis degenerate, racist, and genocidal. Anyone like you who says the horrible things you say should be required to go to Israel. You would never spout such slander if you did.
The Israelis are the most amazing people and society I have ever seen. You have been brainwashed and only believe these lies because of your pre-existing antisemitism. You WANT to hate the Jewish people, and thus Israel. How sad.
Oh really? Like Nazi Germany had the most amazing people?
Israelis are genocidal racists now, as they opemly admit in poll after poll.
And American Jews support Israel's Zionist Holicaust, along with far too many Christians .
You want decent people to laud that?
Sorry, we will not.
Calling anti Zionist Holocaust "hating Jews" is quite the self own.
Palestinians make-up 20% of Israel's population. Jews make up close to 0% of the 55 Muslim countries. Fug off, Hitler Altmaier.
The reason facts don't change most people's opinions is because most people don't use facts to form their opinions.
They use their opinions to form their "facts."
You have it wrong. That land of Judea & Samaria was given to Israel by God period. Those Arabs there came from Turkey, Egypt, Syria to steal the land. & Busch MADE Israel give up the land for peace. We have stupid leaders that don’t understand the history of Israel. Rome forced Israel off their land & after 2,000 years as in the book of Isaiah came back to their land. Israel is forever. Jesus was Jewish not a Muslim.
Hilarious. The genocide-supporting Torah/Old Testament makes it pretty clear that Jews occupied Israel by committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in the first place.
As for "god" handing a parcel of real estate to a specific ethnic group and smiling upon ethnic cleansing and genocide to install them there? Keep your vicious deity, please, decent people reject any "god" who masterminds such atrocities
You prefer Allah? Or maybe Marx?
Neither. I worship the God of all humanity, who loves us all equally. The only true God
No true God would love Hamas
Completely idiotic response, from someone who buys into Zionist genocidal hasbara and its false choices.
Completely idiotic response from someone who buys Islamic genocidal taqiyya and its false choices.
This comment made my eyes roll so far up into my head that I toppled over backward.
1992 called and wants its Biblical analysis back, Paulette
Anyone who can read English can comprehend the genocidal calls in the Torah eg Exodus ch 23 v 27 on.
Biblical analysis not needed from anyone else, thx
Anyone who can read English can comprehend the genocidal calls in the Qur'an and Hadiths. There are too many to count and why Muslims number almost 2 billion while Jews are under 16 million.
Quranic analysis not needed from anyone else, thx
You mean like Mohammed and Allah?
What a silly qs. The only true and definsible concept of God is one who loves us all EQUALLY.
The sheer absurdity of the Zionist position is clear from these comments.
What a silly qs. The only true and definsible concept of Hashem is one who loves us all EQUALLY.
The Palestinians are largely descendants of people who lived on that land when the Jewish exile began. Not all Jews left; some stayed (along with non-Jewish neighbors), and converted to Christianity, losing their Jewish identity. When Muhammad’s armies rolled in, most of these people converted again to Islam.
The Gazans / Hamas have had numerous opportunities for peaceful coexistence. They have refused them all and instead, deliberately waged a continued war of annihilation. They wanted it. They got it. It’s just not going well for them. Their annihilation is long overdue. When they bring their war here and attack Americans we should eliminate them.
When they bring their war here and attack Americans...?
They're already here, across premier US campuses, the barbarians inside our gates (hat tip to Biden and Mayorkas).
And, we should eliminate them. I know the Democrats object, but throw them out of the country, put them in prison, etc.
This article sets up the classic false choice. We principled people are choosing NEITHER. Neither the genocidal state of Israel and its vicious Zionist Holocaust nor terrorist Hamas.
Both are wrong, but Israel is the far greater abomination, as history did not start Oct 7. Israel's decades-long ethnic cleansing, oppression, and slaughters are forgotten and unmentioned only by the enablers and supporters of the Zionist Holocaust.
You are absolutely right, Paulette.
The scary, nose carrying Zionists have conquered the world.
They are so efficient with their genocide of Arabs that since 1948, Arab population in Israel has increased by more than 1000%.
Yes, and that's why there are fewer than 16 million Jews in the world. It's obvious they have controlled the world since their beginnings. Beginnings that date back to long before Jesus or the killer prophet Mohammed were even born.
But October 7th didn’t need to happen, and especially the way it was carried out. There was nothing noble or righteous in that act. No redeemable justification.
You are correct. It started in 1948 with the coward first attack of the Arabs on Israel.
Arabs attacked the Jews long before 1948
It started in the 7th century when Mohammed led his killer jihadists into the Jewish village of Banu Qurayza.
Israel is not genocidal. The Jews want to be left alone and are forced to defend themselves.
Have you forgotten that the genocide you glibly go on about is in Hamas' constitution yet you think Israel are the bad guys?
Yeah, but Rufo has always been pro-Israel and will always push propaganda that aligns with the Israeli state and the mainstream MAGA movement, and opposes the "extremes" of the left and the right.
Such is life.
When Peter Thiel is the bankroll behind his IM1776 project, it's not wonder Rufo shills for ZOG. It's the same reason you see Jordan Peterson out there shilling recently - he has new owners now. Ben Shapiro.
TY Herr Goebbels.
How is that a fence-sitting position?
I simply think Europeans should not help Semites in any way and that we should isolate from them and their conflicts.
I think we should look from afar with amusement, in a very detached way, the same way you look at that two monkeys chimping out meme.
I agree, Europe's continual murderous relationship against Jews should ensure they stay completely out of it. Let the Europeans wage war against one another. Something they have been doing since forever.
What, you mean those old pogroms and the sort?
Ehhhh you guys should forget&forgive already!
Just look how much we support you now!
"...we support you now!"
Like I wrote earlier, Europe deserves the Muslim mass migration. That's the side they have chosen. FAFO, brother.
The invasion of Muslims into Europe is (is a perverted sort of way) delightful to watch. Europe, you get what you wish for. Good luck.
That statement is uncalled and for denigrates your profile. Please apologize. Never take glee at others misfortunes. Never be perverted.
I am not ignorant.
I simply choose not to care and to entertain myself with the Semites chimping out at each other.
I fail to see the issue.
We should send back the foreigners, all of them, btw. Not just Arabs or Muslims.
"I am not Ignorant" says the typical European arrgant ignoramous.
Do you know anyone in Gaza? I do. You would have quite another story if you knew families in Gaza who are kept poor by Hamas. Who have to stay in their tent, lest they be killed by Hamas. Who are taught as toddlers to hate Jews, but are convinced to love them by God. There are such people there. They want peace. They want Hamas gone. Did you see the young man who led a protest against Hamas a few weeks ago? He was cut into pieces and sent back to his family. This is a centuries old war, and though you think otherwise, it is a Spiritual battle, besides a war over land and the right of Israel to exist. You do know that the goal of Hamas, Iran, Yemen and every other Islamic country is for tiny Israel to be eliminated. It seems as if you are believing the propaganda of the enemy . Be certain of this, the enemy of Israel is the enemy of America. You are deceived if you do not believe this. There is a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Seek to know the difference. God loves you.
You need to read.
Also follow the money. When you have Qatar giving b/millions to universities, you’ve gotta know there are strings attached. We are allowing the universities to sell our precious country out for a few Qatari riyal.
I agree with you. It should be nothing but an easy call.
Ah, it's a fallacy to believe one side must be bad and the other good. I say both are both.
It's also a fallacy to believe all folks want the same western culture.
As an Armerican, I prefer it, perhaps because it's all I know.
However none of that matters much.
I do not see our overriding national interest in any of these foreign fights. It's not our place, and we certainly shouldn't be supporting bloodshed overseas.
We must concentrate on making our nation great for us. To the extent that means fighting crimes of any type here, I agree.
Elsewhere? That's their problem.
So you are equating the pre WW2 situation with now? At a minimum you are seeing a future that is not certain.
Of course when it's in our national interest we should act, but restraint prior to that point is the better path IMHO.
Indeed if regional conflicts preceed global conflicts, it's best to let them sort themselves out locally.
Beyond that, things have changed in 100 years, most importantly with the nuclear deterrents.
The world has been avoiding nuclear war for what, ~80 years?
So it can be done.
Frankly I care little about India and Pakistan conflicts. They seem unlikely to involve us or any other major nuclear power that could impact the US.
Now should that change, we must change with it.
Did you see the results of last month's survey of Jewish Israeli opinions? Close to a majority supports wiping out all the residents of an enemy city the way Joshua did to Jericho, killing all including the babies. And a majority believe Amalek exists in the world now and needs to be destroyed. Israel seems to have a lot of radical Judaists as bad as radical Islamists. ICBW
I think it's complicated in that sure there are lunatics out there who actually support Hamas; but there are also a lot of people who are concerned about innocent Palestinians, who think Hamas is bad, but also think that what Israel is doing is bad. And they get lumped in with the lunatics. And that's wrong too. There can be a conflict with 2 bad guys.
Perhaps you can tell me about a war with no civilian casualties. Do you even understand what war is? Familiar with Dresden, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki? All the violent demons in Gaza have to do is release the hostages and lay down their arms. Is there a reason that Egypt has a massive set of border walls to keep the Gazans out of their country? Perhaps they know what Gazan “refugees” did to Lebanon? What do you think would happen to terrorism rates in america if we took these people in and gave them free housing, food, education and healthcare?
It might also help not to locate weapons and military operations in hospitals, schools, and houses and using civilians as human shields during wartime. Oh yeah, and some of the hostages the Gazans held were American citizens. Why are you not pleading for compassion for Americans but bleating about Gazans?
I am happy you mentioned the concept of war. Ever since man existed, we have had war. Whether it is one clan against another, or a group of countries attempting world domination, there have been wars. Wars usually lead to the victor taking land and possessions from the loser.
The result of WWII was the change in borders of many counties and the creation of new countries. Israel was created and immediately was attacked by all the surrounding Arab countries. Today, except for Gaza, a complete wasteland, it has defensible borders. Arabs thrive in Israel. They are citizens, serve in the legislature, serve in the military, and Arab doctors care for wounded Jewish soldiers on the battlefield.
Just as Che gueverra was a brutal, sadistic butcher, there is nothing valiant about ‘Palestinian freedom fighters’.
To understand the issue with Gaza, imagine a section of land smaller than Connecticut being inhabited by people who are trained to hate New Yorkers from when they are in the womb. Imagine it as a totally desolate area, with no functioning government, ruled by despotic terrorists. Then imagine those in Gaza continually lobbing missiles at NY daily, or infiltrating into NY to randomly kill anyone they see.
Your reply shows that you also are failing to distinguish Hamas from ordinary Palestinians. Or do you think there are no innocent people in Gaza?
You are correct. In my opinion it’s a cop out to just blame “Hamas”, as somehow being limited to the elected government and guerrilla soldiers who are comprised of Gazans. This war is widely supported by the populace and you can see for yourself how they parade hostages around to be violently abused by the general population. You can also determine for yourself how UNWRA schools indoctrinate the children from an early age to hate Jews and lust for murdering even Jewish civilians. And you know how intense the religious indoctrination is with regards to Jews (and pretty much all non-Muslims). The entire population has been steeped in violent indoctrination and bloodlust for generations and it has been effective. Why do you think the 55 Muslim countries in the world refuse to take in these perpetual “refugees”? Maybe because when the civilians who have steeped in this ideology relocate they inflict violence wherever they go. It would be a fatal mistake to assume the violence is limited to some kind of formal government or military personnel. This is consistent with jihad as practiced throughout the region.
So basically you support Israel potentially killing everyone there if they want to.
No, my very strong preference is for peace and an end to bloodshed. If you know of a way to stop the Gazans from continually murdering people in Israel (including Americans present) please describe precisely how you would do that? I’m all ears.
Because the Gazans have spent decades murdering Jewish civilians through rocket attacks and a multitude of terrorist attacks I support Israel taking all reasonable measures to ensure that stops, just as I would support America defending its people from the same reign of terror. Is there something in the history of war that didn’t involve large scale civilian casualties? Again, if you know how to stop the terror without civilian casualties please describe.
Well that's an impossible standard to achieve; how could you ever ensure that no terror attack will happen again? The United States undertook multiple wars in the Middle East following 9/11; are we now assured that no terror attack will occur against us? I understand they had to make a response and hit back, but what's the endpoint of that? Just bomb them until the end of time?
I think Israel is far from perfect, but they live with neighbors who do wish them harm, many to the extent of truly committing genocide, of the final solution type, upon them. They have used aid and assistance to build a compatible flourishing modern economy, and a democracy that allows for a plurality of views and equal rights for citizens of every race and religion. Meanwhile, Palestinians have accepted billions in aid and used it to educate their children to make bombs and missiles to kill and provoke their neighbors. Their grievance over loss of their land and homes is understandable, but that war is lost; it was, a long time ago. It's time to accept reality and a historically unprecedented amount of aid, and build a new country. But the influence of radical Islam, which is a greater danger by far than radical Zionism, won't tolerate this. All these liberals bleating about Israel would I guarantee much rather live in Israel than under a Sharia state (unless they are happy to submit to Islam).
Christopher nailed this, it really is (apart from an element of anti-Zionism or Jew hatred on the right) about anti Western, anti oppressor viewpoint of the modern Left.
Israel has made mistakes and done horrible things in its war against the Arabs who left in 1948, and their allies. But their opponents have attacked them with armies, missiles, and terror, with stated aims including their complete eradication. I don't think it's hard to choose a side here. And the choice you make reveals a lot. You're either pro the civilization that has fostered the tolerance you probably love over 400 years, and allows you to speak against it, or pro those that won't and don't.
I mean to say Palestinaians are getting lots of aid is fine if you point out that Israel is receiving FAR more aid than they are.
Yes it's easy to tell someone else to accept the loss of their homes and to accept it with tranquility, as well as deaths of loved ones and their mistreatment. If you were in that situation you would not do so.
There is an element of Jew hatred, but imo that is VASTLY overstated. Just as the left tries to frame so many things as racist, the right often tries to paint many things as anti-semitic.
Of course they'd rather live in Israel but that's irrelevant here. A nation with a high standard of living and rule of law can still commit atrocities.
And again you're talking about what Hamas does but Israel reportedly has an IDF base built under a mall in Tel Aviv. Also if Hamas fired rockets to kill an IDF commander and took out an entire apartment complex to get him, I don't think you'd be defending that action.
I did suggest they were both beneficiaries of foreign aid. Israel does indeed receive billions in aid per year, maybe 4 billion? (almost all in military assistance), Wyest Bank and Gaza combined receive at least 2.5 billion in general by humanitarian assistance.
Many defeated people have moved on and made new lives without waging wars of retribution. You're correct in suggesting I may not be so magnanimous as to do this myself, but in general I think it's the best response. Most losers don't receive the aid to allow them to retaliate; retaliation is historically usually suicidal.
I admitted Israel has done wrong but I think it's only fair to about their existence has been under extreme duress, under constant threat of literal annihilation. The same cannot be said of organized Palestinian violent actions. Ditto, how they treat their own citizens. It speaks something of the quality of their culture and society. Horrible deeds are committed by all cultures with sufficient power, the question is how much, how often, and how they respond when it happens. You can't say Israel and Hamas are equal because they both have committed atrocities. I would suggest Israel has committed far less, relative to opportunity, than the reverse.
I'm not saying Hamas isn't terrible, I'm saying there are innocent people living there that should be thought of too.
You wrote: "Their grievance over loss of their land and homes is understandable, but that war is lost; it was, a long time ago."
Jews literally spent almost 2,000 years clinging to their grievances over their loss of their land and homes in Israel. Their wars with Rome were lost a long time ago, too. I'm not taking a side on this war, but the idea Jews would tell Palestinians they need to give up and the war is lost seems like "the pot calling the kettle black".
Jews never stopped living in Israel. They just stopped ruling it. And, their return to power is now history. You didn't obtain peace by removing them from where they are now.
Why would Jews in Israel think they could obtain peace by removing non-Jewish people who have lived in a place but at the same time insist that removing Jews from a place they have lived will never result in peace?
It seems contradictory.
Removing Jews will never result in peace.
But removing non-Jews will result in peace.
Is the theory that Jews are much more violent and unwilling to make peace unless they get their way while non-Jews are more agreeable and willing to settle to make peace?
Thanks for this simple but incisive observation. Thanks, really, for all your efforts in defense of civilization and decenly.
The left is nothing but anarchy in order to drive us to their facist utopia.
Classic guilt by association fallacy.
The leftists are wrong about most things. They are tyrannical and their tactics are bad. But the facts of Israel/Palestine are independent of western leftists.
Stalin supported the Allies in WW2. Stalin was just as bad or worse than western leftists. So we’re the Allie’s bad because Stalin supported them?
The radical left's support for Palestine/Hamas is also independent of the facts. They have solipsistically recast the issue in terms of 'Settler/Colonial' ideology, which tells them who is the evil oppressor (boo!), and who the heroic, innocent, oppressed victims are (yaay!) That is why there are groups like 'Queers for Palestine,' even though they would be instantly executed if they ever turned up in Gaza (though not necessarily by the prescribed method of being thrown from a tall building, because there don't appear to be many of them remaining.)
College leftists' framing of the situation doesn't change the facts, though. Again, they may view the conflict strictly through a Marxist, postmodern lens, but that doesn't negate the reality that Israel is an imperially-backed, nuclearly-armed state occupying a territory of people they rule over with extraordinary force.
That's exactly what this is, and it's a shame that so many people can't see it. It's some of the laziest argumentation one can engage in. "Palestine is in the wrong because the college students supporting it are wrong." To your point, was Stalin good because he joined with the Allies?
Not taking any sides here in this debate except calling for peace and friendship, but your point is right, but it is not about "guilt by association" (which is something else, like "x associating with thugs, and so x is a thug" but more about "correlation using non-correlatable instances". Like saying Hitler drove VW and you drive a VW so you must be hitler. NOT.