Michael Schellenberger had an interesting conversation with Jordan Peterson recently, where he discussed the concepts of the weak man, the strong man, and the gentleman. Gentlemen use their strength to protect and nurture people, whereas strong men use theirs' to bully and oppress.
It would be interesting to look at this from the point of the view of the history of the duel. One might say that gentlemen ceased to exist when duels turned from heroic to ridiculous. Btw, this happened around 1830, at the same time when laissez-faire capitalism was introduced ... could be a coincidence though.
This is by far one of the best take downs of a fake wannabe that I've ever read. Real men can see the Andrew Tate's of the world coming, before they know they're coming. The tell is how hard they try to make you believe that there is depth to their persona. We know it's phony at best.
Real men are instinctively willing to risk their lives to protect others. Can you imagine someone like Tate risking his life to save a woman or child? It would be nice if our culture broadly recognized that real men have virtues, although I suspect most men are aware of this masculine proclivity to protect. Young men need real men and not poseurs like Tate as mentors or the consequences will not be good for our culture.
“Frank Farley, the Laura H. Carnell Professor of psychological studies in education at Temple University, has been studying heroism and examining data from the Carnegie Hero Fund. “The number one most frequent site for heroism is water,” Farley told TODAY. Men dominated 10 to one in being identified as heroes.”
Excellent!! The young men keep taking Tate’s catnip because it seems “cool” (the simulacrum), but it doesn’t work with smart, secure women. All it does is reinforce a slave mentality in both directions.
Via the war reporting from a Millennial daughter on the frontline of the "dating scene," I can assure doubters that the loathsome Tate is indeed an "influencer" of outsize proportions in our pornified culture, beginning with boys in middle school. The vacuum in alternative models of strong, virtuous masculinity begins not in politics, business, entertainment, or the media, but in the home. Fathers of the world, raise up decent sons to love, honor, and protect our daughters!
Hatians eat cats and dogs? Lol!The notion that Haitians consume cats and dogs is a misconception. It's important to approach cultural practices with sensitivity and accurate information.
"he allegedly used his physical force to intimidate the women he employed as sex-cam operators." He said it himself on camera, there are videos of him saying it proudly, that he made women fall in love with him with the only purpose to have them work as sex-cam operators, and that he used his physical force to make them obey. So we are kind of past the "allegedly".
So the videos of him on YouTube boasting about it are all deepfaked? Or are you saying he lied in those videos? There is no frivolous lawsuit and there are plenty of witnesses. Women scared for their life right now because of some Rou incompetent let him go after US officials asked them to. He is also wanted in the UK for rape and assault. I speak Romanian and followed his case there closely. The anglophone media did a very poor job reporting on the accusations, proof and testimonials. I wonder how much time will take him to do the same in the US, because I bet you, he will. These guys never change. Going unpunished just gave him more confidence to start it all over again.
So many men in denial, it's sad. I also personally saw one of his videos where he was humiliating and psychologically and physically abusing a woman. Made me want to puke. But of course, if he can get away with it using technicalities in Romania's law system, then people like SCG will defend him. Pretty sickening.
That is a very disturbing video. Tate claimed later that the young woman had asked him to humiliate and hit her as a form of sexual role-play and that this was OK on the grounds of being consensual. A surprising number of people were willing to defend his actions on this basis.
"Our society’s failure to provide appealing masculine archetypes . . ."
It's not just archetypes but actual opportunities to do masculine things: to build houses, work in factories, practice fatherhood, be a good neighbor, practice citizenship, explore new frontiers, seek meaning: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U0C9HKW
Tate? Who cares other than evil government forces have tried to ruin his life. That matters.
He doesn't represent MAGA or any other group and treating women like $hit is a stain of bigly proportions. Don't give the guy another second. Masculinity is still out 'here', we just don't make waves other than defending our women.
I've not followed Tate's legal issues but from what I've seen of the guy, I assumed there are probably valid grounds for the charges he faces. Is that not the case? I'm guilty of not caring much because he sounds like scum.
“Tate is to masculinity what pornography is to sex: a degraded form of the original, superficially attractive but profoundly empty.” This sentence seems to encapsulate why I find the man repulsive. That many don’t see that and stay clear of him altogether is beyond me.
LOL. What an absolutely idiotic reason to support someone. Reminds me of the numbnuts who support Luigi because they hate how healthcare insurance works. Reactive & imbecilic.
With so many amazing people in the world who do great things - this is who people choose.
Very indicative of our culture and how tanked it is.
Well said. Now send this to Tucker Carlson who has given Tate a huge platform to sell his grift. You did a great shop of exposing that this emperor of men wears no clothes. Next expose Candace O for the drifter she is....
Tate is correct. Feminism and the extreme nature of the #metoo movement which essentially says that anything a man does that a woman might object to should be banned has made young men feel marginalized. Not to mention young men lagging in school because of the way they are meant to feel.
Your solution is really no solution. Try telling women that men’s role is to “protect” women - your idea - and see how well that goes.
You seem to say that men need to use their strength to protect people. What exactly does that mean. And in your opinion if that’s men’s role what is women’s role? To be passive and be protected by men.
I think most young men listening to you and Tate would vote for Tate.
Michael Schellenberger had an interesting conversation with Jordan Peterson recently, where he discussed the concepts of the weak man, the strong man, and the gentleman. Gentlemen use their strength to protect and nurture people, whereas strong men use theirs' to bully and oppress.
Nice, love Mike.
Gentleman is in my podcast name..lol.
Judging from your comment below, it probably shouldn't be.
I try to ignore trolls.
It would be interesting to look at this from the point of the view of the history of the duel. One might say that gentlemen ceased to exist when duels turned from heroic to ridiculous. Btw, this happened around 1830, at the same time when laissez-faire capitalism was introduced ... could be a coincidence though.
The communist march dispensed with the 'noble' control structure. Control is the point.
This is by far one of the best take downs of a fake wannabe that I've ever read. Real men can see the Andrew Tate's of the world coming, before they know they're coming. The tell is how hard they try to make you believe that there is depth to their persona. We know it's phony at best.
Appreciate it.
Real men are instinctively willing to risk their lives to protect others. Can you imagine someone like Tate risking his life to save a woman or child? It would be nice if our culture broadly recognized that real men have virtues, although I suspect most men are aware of this masculine proclivity to protect. Young men need real men and not poseurs like Tate as mentors or the consequences will not be good for our culture.
“Frank Farley, the Laura H. Carnell Professor of psychological studies in education at Temple University, has been studying heroism and examining data from the Carnegie Hero Fund. “The number one most frequent site for heroism is water,” Farley told TODAY. Men dominated 10 to one in being identified as heroes.”
His fans are teenage boys.
Excellent!! The young men keep taking Tate’s catnip because it seems “cool” (the simulacrum), but it doesn’t work with smart, secure women. All it does is reinforce a slave mentality in both directions.
Via the war reporting from a Millennial daughter on the frontline of the "dating scene," I can assure doubters that the loathsome Tate is indeed an "influencer" of outsize proportions in our pornified culture, beginning with boys in middle school. The vacuum in alternative models of strong, virtuous masculinity begins not in politics, business, entertainment, or the media, but in the home. Fathers of the world, raise up decent sons to love, honor, and protect our daughters!
Yes, better young men emulate JD.
Correct. JD is a great role model and a friend.
Hatians eat cats and dogs? Lol!The notion that Haitians consume cats and dogs is a misconception. It's important to approach cultural practices with sensitivity and accurate information.
But it's the truth.
"he allegedly used his physical force to intimidate the women he employed as sex-cam operators." He said it himself on camera, there are videos of him saying it proudly, that he made women fall in love with him with the only purpose to have them work as sex-cam operators, and that he used his physical force to make them obey. So we are kind of past the "allegedly".
Yes, but legal considerations require the "allegedly"!
I do not think that is true. That was the basis of the frivilous criminal lawsuit against him with zero witnesses.
So the videos of him on YouTube boasting about it are all deepfaked? Or are you saying he lied in those videos? There is no frivolous lawsuit and there are plenty of witnesses. Women scared for their life right now because of some Rou incompetent let him go after US officials asked them to. He is also wanted in the UK for rape and assault. I speak Romanian and followed his case there closely. The anglophone media did a very poor job reporting on the accusations, proof and testimonials. I wonder how much time will take him to do the same in the US, because I bet you, he will. These guys never change. Going unpunished just gave him more confidence to start it all over again.
So many men in denial, it's sad. I also personally saw one of his videos where he was humiliating and psychologically and physically abusing a woman. Made me want to puke. But of course, if he can get away with it using technicalities in Romania's law system, then people like SCG will defend him. Pretty sickening.
That is a very disturbing video. Tate claimed later that the young woman had asked him to humiliate and hit her as a form of sexual role-play and that this was OK on the grounds of being consensual. A surprising number of people were willing to defend his actions on this basis.
Your misinformed.
I think you want "you're" not "your."
Thank you for sharing your delightful deep insights. Appreciated. I am straightened out.
Say and believe what you want, facts are there and time will, unfortunately and with great costs, prove me right. Thank you for this "conversation".
I neither support nor condemn the man. But pilling on hearsay that has been disproven....come on.
That description kind of sounds like he's a nickel store version of Jeffrey Epstein. Or any number of politicians and wealthy oligarchs.
Same persona, driving force, he's just a cheap, unrefined knock-off version.
"Our society’s failure to provide appealing masculine archetypes . . ."
It's not just archetypes but actual opportunities to do masculine things: to build houses, work in factories, practice fatherhood, be a good neighbor, practice citizenship, explore new frontiers, seek meaning: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U0C9HKW
True
He’s just a sad fuck who hates women cos he can’t get over the fact he can’t live without them. Sad little angry man. 🥱
Indeed. He made his money on the humiliation, degradation and abuse of women.
Good piece, Rufo.
Tate? Who cares other than evil government forces have tried to ruin his life. That matters.
He doesn't represent MAGA or any other group and treating women like $hit is a stain of bigly proportions. Don't give the guy another second. Masculinity is still out 'here', we just don't make waves other than defending our women.
I've not followed Tate's legal issues but from what I've seen of the guy, I assumed there are probably valid grounds for the charges he faces. Is that not the case? I'm guilty of not caring much because he sounds like scum.
“Tate is to masculinity what pornography is to sex: a degraded form of the original, superficially attractive but profoundly empty.” This sentence seems to encapsulate why I find the man repulsive. That many don’t see that and stay clear of him altogether is beyond me.
I don't get it, either. Well said.
Well done and much needed.
Easy for the sleazy left to try to link Tate with Conservative positions.
Yes, it's easy when so many so-called Christian conservative men support him.
I support Tate's right to free speech. That's all.
No one was talking about free speech.
You are late to the party. Social media's suspicious cancellation of Tate is why people support him.
LOL. What an absolutely idiotic reason to support someone. Reminds me of the numbnuts who support Luigi because they hate how healthcare insurance works. Reactive & imbecilic.
With so many amazing people in the world who do great things - this is who people choose.
Very indicative of our culture and how tanked it is.
If you're anti-Tate, that is on you. Me, I'm anti-cancel culture. We'll have to agree to disagree.
But before you pass judgement, listen to what Michael Franzese has to say: https://rumble.com/v6qryf4-hes-innocent-maga-clash-over-andrew-tate-with-michael-franzese.html
MAGA positions at any rate. There’s nothing “conservative” about Tate as far as I can tell.
Again, the issue is free speech vs cancel culture. It might be easy to support cancelling Tate, but who will protest when the mob comes for you?
Was there someone in this thread who said they thought Tate should be censored? Sorry if I missed that.
It is a known fact that he was removed from all social media circa 2023. That is how I became aware of him.
He's a sad pimp with father issues and a slave to his own vices.
What a great phrase: "slave to his own vices"
Well said. Now send this to Tucker Carlson who has given Tate a huge platform to sell his grift. You did a great shop of exposing that this emperor of men wears no clothes. Next expose Candace O for the drifter she is....
100%
Chris, excellent thinking and writing.
Every point you make exposes Tate for the charlatan that he is.
Thank you for posting...
Tate is correct. Feminism and the extreme nature of the #metoo movement which essentially says that anything a man does that a woman might object to should be banned has made young men feel marginalized. Not to mention young men lagging in school because of the way they are meant to feel.
Your solution is really no solution. Try telling women that men’s role is to “protect” women - your idea - and see how well that goes.
You seem to say that men need to use their strength to protect people. What exactly does that mean. And in your opinion if that’s men’s role what is women’s role? To be passive and be protected by men.
I think most young men listening to you and Tate would vote for Tate.
Better up your game
Also, Tate has a right to free speech.